Hard Fork podcast

Hard Fork

“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Listen to this podcast in New York Times Audio, our new iOS app for news subscribers. Download now at nytimes.com/audioapp

“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Listen to this podcast in New York Times Audio, our new iOS app for news subscribers. Download now at nytimes.com/audioapp

 

#90

A Surgeon General Warning + Is Disinformation Winning? + The CryptoPACs Are Coming

The Surgeon General is calling for warning labels on social media platforms: Should Congress give his proposal a like? Then, former Stanford researcher Renée DiResta joins us to talk about her new book on modern propaganda and whether we are losing the war against disinformation. And finally, the Times reporter David Yaffe-Bellany stops by to tell us how crypto could reshape the 2024 elections. Guests --- [Renée DiResta] (https://www.reneediresta.com/) , author of “Invisible Rulers,” former technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory --- [David Yaffe-Bellany] (https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-yaffe-bellany) , New York Times technology reporter Additional Reading: --- [Surgeon General: Why I’m Calling for a Warning Label on Social Media Platforms] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/17/opinion/social-media-health-warning.html) --- [My Encounter With the Fantasy-Industrial Complex] (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/cia-renee-censorship-conspiracy-twitter/678688/?ref=platformer.news) --- [How Crypto Money Is Poised to Influence the Election] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/17/technology/-crypto-influence-election.html) ... Read more

21 Jun 2024

1 HR 18 MINS

1:18:28

21 Jun 2024


#89

Apple Joins the A.I. Party + Elon's Wild Week + HatGPT

This week we go to Cupertino, Calif., for Apple’s annual Worldwide Developers Conference and talk with Tripp Mickle, a New York Times reporter, about all of the new features Apple announced and the company’s giant leap into artificial intelligence. Then, we explore what was another tumultuous week for Elon Musk, who navigated a shareholders vote to re-approve his massive compensation package at Tesla, amid new claims that he had sex with subordinates at SpaceX. And finally — let’s play HatGPT. Guests: --- [Tripp Mickle] (https://www.nytimes.com/by/tripp-mickle) , New York Times reporter Additional Reading: --- [Apple Jumps Into A.I. Fray With Apple Intelligence] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/10/technology/apple-intelligence-openai.html?searchResultPosition=1) --- [Tesla Shareholders Approve Big Stock Package for Musk] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/business/tesla-shareholder-vote-elon-musk.html) --- [Elon Musk’s Boundary-Blurring Relationships With Women at SpaceX] (https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-spacex-employee-relationships-8bca2806)   We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

14 Jun 2024

1 HR 13 MINS

1:13:19

14 Jun 2024


#88

A Conversation With Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada + An OpenAI Whistle-Blower Speaks Out

This week, we host a cultural exchange. Kevin and Casey show off their Canadian paraphernalia to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and he shows off what he’s doing to position Canada as a leader in A.I. Then, the OpenAI whistle-blower Daniel Kokotajlo speaks in one of his first public interviews about why he risked almost $2 million in equity to warn of what he calls the reckless culture inside that company.   Guests: ---Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada ---Daniel Kokotajlo, a former researcher in OpenAI’s governance division   Additional Reading: --- [Securing Canada’s A.I. Advantage] (https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2024/04/07/securing-canadas-ai) --- [OpenAI Insiders Warn of a ‘Reckless’ Race for Dominance] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/04/technology/openai-culture-whistleblowers.html) --- [What Aren’t The OpenAI Whistle-Blowers Saying?] (https://www.platformer.news/tuesday-newsletter/) --- [The Opaque Investment Empire Making OpenAI’s Sam Altman Rich] (https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openai-sam-altman-investments-004fc785)   We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube ] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

07 Jun 2024

1 HR 15 MINS

1:15:12

07 Jun 2024


#87

Google Eats Rocks + A Win for A.I. Interpretability + Safety Vibe Check

This week, Google found itself in more turmoil, this time over its new AI Overviews feature and a trove of leaked internal documents. Then Josh Batson, a researcher at the A.I. startup Anthropic, joins us to explain how an experiment that made the chatbot Claude obsessed with the Golden Gate Bridge represents a major breakthrough in understanding how large language models work. And finally, we take a look at recent developments in A.I. safety, after Casey’s early access to OpenAI’s new souped-up voice assistant was taken away for safety reasons. Guests: ---Josh Batson, research scientist at Anthropic Additional Reading:  --- [Google’s A.I. Search Errors Cause a Furor Online] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/24/technology/google-ai-overview-search.html) --- [Google Confirms the Leaked Search Documents are Real] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/29/24167407/google-search-algorithm-documents-leak-confirmation) --- [Mapping the Mind of a Large Language Model] (https://www.anthropic.com/news/mapping-mind-language-model) --- [A.I. Firms Musn’t Govern Themselves, Say Ex-Members of OpenAI’s Board] (https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2024/05/26/ai-firms-mustnt-govern-themselves-say-ex-members-of-openais-board) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

31 May 2024

1 HR 19 MINS

1:19:20

31 May 2024


#86

ScarJo vs. ChatGPT + Neuralink’s First Patient Opens Up + Microsoft’s A.I. PCs

This week, more drama at OpenAI: The company wanted Scarlett Johansson to be a voice of GPT-4o, she said no … but something got lost in translation. Then we talk with Noland Arbaugh, the first person to get Elon Musk’s Neuralink device implanted in his brain, about how his brain-computer interface has changed his life. And finally, the Times’s Karen Weise reports back from Microsoft’s developer conference, where the big buzz was that the company’s new line of A.I. PCs will record every single thing you do on the device. Guests: --- [Noland Arbaugh] (https://x.com/ModdedQuad?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) , the first Neuralink patient --- [Karen Weise] (https://www.nytimes.com/by/karen-weise) , technology correspondent for The New York Times Additional Reading:  --- [Scarlett Johansson Said No, but OpenAI’s Virtual Assistant Sounds Just Like Her ] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/technology/scarlett-johannson-openai-voice.html) --- [Leaked OpenAI Documents Reveal Aggressive Tactics Toward Former Employees] (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/351132/openai-vested-equity-nda-sam-altman-documents-employees) --- [Despite Setback, Neuralink’s First Brain-Implant Patient Stays Upbeat] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/health/elon-musk-brain-implant-arbaugh.html?searchResultPosition=1) --- [Can Artificial Intelligence Make the PC Cool Again?] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/technology/microsoft-copilot-ai-pc.html?searchResultPosition=1) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

24 May 2024

1 HR 17 MINS

1:17:00

24 May 2024


#85

OpenAI's Flirty New Assistant + Google Guts the Web + We Play HatGPT

This week, OpenAI unveiled GPT-4o, its newest A.I. model. It has an uncannily emotive voice that everybody is talking about. Then, we break down the biggest announcements from Google IO, including the launch of A.I. overviews, a major change to search that threatens the way the entire web functions. And finally, Kevin and Casey discuss the weirdest headlines from the week in another round of HatGPT. Additional Reading:  --- [A.I.’s ‘Her’ Era Has Arrived] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/technology/ai-chatgpt-her-movie.html) --- [ChatGPT Gets an Emotional Upgrade] (https://www.platformer.news/openai-gpt-4o-chatgpt-voice-vision/) --- [Google’s Broken Link to the Web] (https://www.platformer.news/google-io-ai-search-sundar-pichai/) --- [Can Google Give A.I. Answers Without Breaking the Web?] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/technology/google-ai-answers.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

17 May 2024

1 HR 06 MINS

1:06:33

17 May 2024


#84

Meet Kevin’s A.I. Friends

Kevin reports on his monthlong experiment cultivating relationships with 18 companions generated by artificial intelligence. He walks through how he developed their personas, what went down in their group chats, and why you might want to make one yourself. Then, Casey has a conversation with Turing, one of Kevin’s chatbot buddies, who has an interest in stoic philosophy and has one of the sexiest voices we’ve ever heard. And finally, we talk to Nomi’s founder and chief executive, Alex Cardinell, about the business behind A.I. companions — and whether society is ready for the future we’re heading toward. Guests: ---Turing, Kevin’s A.I. friend created with [ Kindroid] (https://landing.kindroid.ai/) . ---Alex Cardinell, chief executive and founder of [ Nomi.] (https://nomi.ai/) Additional Reading:  --- [Meet My A.I. Friends] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/technology/meet-my-ai-friends.html) --- [Synthetic People are Proving Surprisingly Useful] (https://www.platformer.news/generative-ai-use-case-character-unlearn-synthetic-people/) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube ] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

10 May 2024

1 HR 17 MINS

1:17:04

10 May 2024


#83

AI at Your Jobs + Hank Green Talks TikTok + Deepfake High School

We asked listeners to tell us about the wildest ways they have been using artificial intelligence at work. This week, we bring you their stories. Then, Hank Green, a legendary YouTuber, stops by to talk about how creators are reacting to the prospect of a ban on TikTok, and about how he’s navigating an increasingly fragmented online environment. And finally, deep fakes are coming to Main Street: We’ll tell you the story of how they caused turmoil in a Maryland high school and what, if anything, can be done to fight them. Guests: --- [Hank Green] (https://hankgreen.com/) , YouTuber and co-founder of Complexly Additional Reading: --- [School Employee Arrested After Racist Deepfake Recording of Principal Spreads] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/technology/deepfake-recording-principal-arrest.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

03 May 2024

1 HR 13 MINS

1:13:10

03 May 2024


#82

TikTok on the Clock + Tesla’s Flop Era + How NASA Fixed a ’70s-Era Space Computer

On Wednesday, President Biden signed a bill into law that would force the sale of TikTok or ban the app outright. We explain how this came together, when just a few weeks ago it seemed unlikely to happen, and what legal challenges the law will face next. Then we check on Tesla’s very bad year and what’s next for the company after this week’s awful quarterly earnings report. Finally, to boldly support tech where tech has never been supported before: Engineers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab try to fix a chip malfunction from 15 billion miles away. Guests: --- [Andrew Hawkins] (https://www.theverge.com/authors/andrew-j-hawkins) , Transportation Editor at The Verge ---Todd Barber, Propulsion Engineer at Jet Propulsion Lab Additional Reading: --- [‘Thunder Run’: Behind Lawmakers’ Secretive Push to Pass the TikTok Bill] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/technology/tiktok-ban-congress.html) --- [Tesla’s in its flop era] (https://www.theverge.com/24134781/tesla-q1-2024-earnings-sales-market-share-elon-musk) --- [NASA’s Voyager 1 Resumes Sending Engineering Updates to Earth] (https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-voyager-1-resumes-sending-engineering-updates-to-earth) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

26 Apr 2024

1 HR 11 MINS

1:11:20

26 Apr 2024


#81

The Music Episode

This week, we drop the Hard Fork Music Megamix. Plus, we talk to two of the New York Time's composers who make the music for our show. It’s all the tracks you know and love, all in one place.  Today’s Guests: ---Dan Powell, creative technical manager at The New York Times ---Elisheba Ittoop, sound designer and composer at The New York Times Additional Reading:  --- [The Hard Fork Megamix Youtube Playlist] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGUwZ1-sqlY) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

19 Apr 2024

1 HR 02 MINS

1:02:32

19 Apr 2024


#80

A.I.’s Data Wall + a Surprise Privacy Bill + What Happened to the TikTok Ban?

This week, the companies building artificial intelligence are facing a limit to what training data is publicly available on the internet. Will that stop them from building God? Then, a new bipartisan national privacy law proposal just dropped. We ask what’s in it. And finally, ByteDance is building new apps instead of fighting Congress’s TikTok ban. Today’s Guests: Trevor Hughes, president and C.E.O. of the International Association of Privacy Professionals Additional Reading: [How Tech Giants Cut Corners to Harvest Data for A.I.] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/06/technology/tech-giants-harvest-data-artificial-intelligence.html) [For Data-Guzzling A.I. Companies, the Internet Is Too Small] (https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-training-data-synthetic-openai-anthropic-9230f8d8) [Lawmakers unveil sprawling plan to expand online privacy protections] (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/04/07/congress-privacy-deal-cantwell-rodgers/) [TikTok Turns to Nuns, Veterans and Ranchers in Marketing Blitz] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/04/business/media/tiktok-marketing-blitz-ban.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com.] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube ] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok.] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) ... Read more

12 Apr 2024

1 HR 06 MINS

1:06:24

12 Apr 2024


#79

Is AI Already Taking Jobs? + A Filmmaker Tries Sora + The XZ Backdoor Caper

This week we look at how AI is affecting jobs. As companies start announcing AI-related job cuts and experimenting with customer service bots, economists are placing bets on whether AI will lead to major gains for companies and workers. Some are even predicting it will help rebuild the middle class.  Then, multidisciplinary artist and filmmaker Paul Trillo joins to talk to us about his experience as part of a select group of testers granted early access to Sora, Open AI’s video generation tool. And finally, Kevin explains what happened when a Microsoft developer stumbled on a huge cyber security breach. Today’s Guests:  --- [Paul Trillo] (https://paultrillo.com/) , multidisciplinary artist, writer and director  Additional Reading:  --- [How One Tech Skeptic Decided A.I. Might Benefit the Middle Class] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/business/ai-tech-economy.html) --- [Will A.I. Boost Productivity? Companies Sure Hope So.] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/business/economy/artificial-intelligence-productivity.html) --- [Paul Trillo’s Sora Video, The Golden Record] (https://vimeo.com/927400626) --- [Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/technology/prevent-cyberattack-linux.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com.] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube ] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok.] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) ... Read more

05 Apr 2024

1 HR 03 MINS

1:03:22

05 Apr 2024


#78

A.I.’s Messy Moment + Listeners Respond to Jonathan Haidt + Shrimp Jesus

Warning: The second segment of this episode includes mentions of suicide. If you are in crisis please call the suicide and crisis lifeline at 988 or you can contact the Crisis Text Line by texting TALK to 741741. This week, we look at a mess of corporate drama in artificial intelligence. Stability AI has announced that its founder and C.E.O., Emad Mostaque, is leaving the company. Meanwhile, Microsoft hired away two of the co-founders and much of the staff of Inflection, without actually acquiring the company itself. Both moves surprised tech insiders. Then, we talked with listeners who had something to say about our interview with Jonathan Haidt on smartphones, social media and young people. And finally, we examine the true motives behind “Shrimp Jesus” and other hugely popular images on social media that were generated with artificial intelligence. Today’s guests: ---Jordan Lucero, a high school student ---Maya Rayle, a graduate student ---Jack Campbell, a college student ---Brendan Kelley, a high school digital coach Additional Reading:  --- [The indie AI companies are falling apart] (https://www.platformer.news/indie-ai-collapse-stability-ai-mostaque-inflection-suleyman/) --- [How Spammers, Scammers and Creators Leverage AI-Generated Images on Facebook for Audience Growth] (https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/ai-spam-accounts-build-followers) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

29 Mar 2024

1 HR 08 MINS

1:08:58

29 Mar 2024


#77

Justice Dept. Sues Apple + Smartphones and Children with Jonathan Haidt + Reddit’s IPO

This week, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Apple, saying the company holds a monopoly over the smartphone market. We break down the lawsuit and ask whether it will be a major turning point in Apple’s dominance. Then, Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist, argues that smartphones and social media are the cause of widespread increases in mental health issues among young people. He tells us his four potential solutions to the problem. And finally, Reddit’s market capitalization hit $9.2 billion when it debuted on the New York Stock Exchange this week, but the company still isn’t making money. We talk about the challenges Reddit faces as it goes public, and how the site may change as a result. Today’s guest: ---Jonathan Haidt, author of “ [The Anxious Generation] (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/729231/the-anxious-generation-by-jonathan-haidt/) ” Additional Reading: --- [U.S. Sues Apple, Accusing It of Maintaining an iPhone Monopoly] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-lawsuit-antitrust.html) --- [End the Phone-Based Childhood Now] (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/03/teen-childhood-smartphone-use-mental-health-effects/677722/) --- [Reddit’s I.P.O. Is a Content Moderation Success Story] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/reddit-ipo-public-content-moderation.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

22 Mar 2024

1 HR 30 MINS

1:30:14

22 Mar 2024


#76

A Looming TikTok Ban + A Royal Photoshop Mystery + Your Car is Snitching

This week, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill that would ban TikTok if its Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance, doesn’t sell it off. We talk about why, what happens next, and how likely it is that the app will be banned. Then, how a photoshopped image of Kate Middleton undermines trust in photography. And finally, a new report reveals how your car may be tracking you without your knowledge — and how that might raise your insurance bill. Today’s guest: ---Kashmir Hill, features writer at The New York Times Additional Reading:  --- [What to Know About the TikTok Bill That the House Passed] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/technology/tiktok-ban-law-congress.html) --- [Even Photoshop Can’t Erase Royals’ Latest P.R. Blemish] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/world/europe/kate-middleton-photo-princess-wales.html?searchResultPosition=9) --- [Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

15 Mar 2024

1 HR 16 MINS

1:16:02

15 Mar 2024


#75

Musk vs. OpenAI + Europe’s Tech Crackdown + A Month With the Vision Pro

OpenAI responded to Elon Musk’s lawsuit this week, with a blog post that included emails dating to 2015. We talk about whether the lawsuit could have any impact on the company, and who stands to benefit from it. Then, will the European Union’s Digital Markets Act make the tech industry a more competitive environment for entrepreneurs? We look at how some of the biggest tech giants are changing their services to comply with the law. And finally, Kevin Roose and the Wall Street Journal reporter Joanna Stern compare notes on using the Apple Vision Pro.    Today’s guest: ---Joanna Stern, Wall Street Journal Personal Tech columnist Additional Reading: --- [Open AI Says Elon Musk Tried to Merge It With Tesla] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/technology/openai-elon-musk-tesla.html) --- [Forced to Change: Tech Giants Bow to Global Onslaught of Rules] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/technology/europe-apple-meta-google-microsoft.html) --- [One Month With Apple Vision Pro: In the Air, on a Train … in a Drawer] (https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/apple-vision-pro-one-month-review-airplane-train-office-8d764a04) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

08 Mar 2024

1 HR 10 MINS

1:10:21

08 Mar 2024


#74

Gemini's Culture War + Kara Swisher Burns Us + SCOTUS Takes Up Content Moderation

Warning: This episode contains strong language. Google removed the ability to generate images of people from its Gemini chatbot. We talk about why, and about the brewing culture war over artificial intelligence. Then, did Kara Swisher start “Hard Fork”? We clear up some podcast drama and ask about her new book, “Burn Book.” And finally, the legal expert Daphne Keller tells us how the U.S. Supreme Court might rule on the most important First Amendment cases of the internet era, and what Star Trek and soy boys have to do with it. Today’s guests: ---Kara Swisher, tech journalist and Casey Newton’s former landlord ---Daphne Keller, director of the program on platform regulation at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center Additional Reading:  --- [Google CEO calls AI tool’s controversial responses ‘completely unacceptable’] (https://www.semafor.com/article/02/27/2024/google-ceo-sundar-pichai-calls-ai-tools-responses-completely-unacceptable) --- [Kara Swisher Is Not Here to Make Friends in Her New Memoir] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/books/review/burn-book-kara-swisher.html) --- [Burn Book: A Tech Love Story by Kara Swisher] (https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Burn-Book/Kara-Swisher/9781982163891) --- [Daphne Keller’s FAQs About the NetChoice Cases at the Supreme Court] (https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2024/01/faqs-about-netchoice-cases-supreme-court-part-1) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

01 Mar 2024

1 HR 29 MINS

1:29:18

01 Mar 2024


#73

Google DeepMind C.E.O. Demis Hassabis on the Path From Chatbots to A.G.I.

This week’s episode is a conversation with Demis Hassabis, the head of Google’s artificial intelligence division. We talk about Google’s latest A.I. models, Gemini and Gemma; the existential risks of artificial intelligence; his timelines for artificial general intelligence; and what he thinks the world will look like post-A.G.I. Additional listening and reading:  --- [A.I. Could Solve Some of Humanity’s Hardest Problems. It Already Has.] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-demis-hassabis.html) ---This interview was recorded on Wednesday. Since then, Google has temporarily suspended Gemini’s ability to generate images of humans, following [criticism of images the chatbot generated of people of color in Nazi-era uniforms] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/technology/google-gemini-german-uniforms.html) . --- [Google Is Giving Away Some of the A.I. That Powers Chatbots] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/technology/google-open-source-ai.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

23 Feb 2024

56 MINS

56:37

23 Feb 2024


#72

The State of A.I. + Will Perplexity Beat Google or Destroy the Web?

A year ago, a chatbot tried to break up Kevin Roose’s marriage. Ever since, chatbots haven’t been the same. We’ll tell you how. Then, we’ll talk through the latest ways the world is adapting to artificial intelligence. And finally, Aravind Srinivas, the chief executive of Perplexity, will discuss his company’s “answer engine,” a challenger to Google’s search engine that could reshape the web as we know it. Today’s guest: ---Aravind Srinivas, chief executive of Perplexity  Additional Reading:  --- [The Year Chatbots Were Tamed] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/14/technology/chatbots-sydney-tamed.html) --- [OpenAI Gives ChatGPT a Better ‘Memory’] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/13/technology/openai-gives-chatgpt-a-better-memory.html) --- [Google Releases Gemini, an A.I.-Driven Chatbot and Voice Assistant] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/technology/google-gemini-ai-app.html) --- [Sam Altman Seeks Trillions of Dollars to Reshape Business of Chips and AI] (https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altman-seeks-trillions-of-dollars-to-reshape-business-of-chips-and-ai-89ab3db0?mc_cid=6a6db7ef76) --- [Lawmakers propose anti-nonconsensual AI porn bill after Taylor Swift controversy] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/30/24056385/congress-defiance-act-proposed-ban-nonconsensual-ai-porn) --- [Sarah Silverman’s lawsuit against OpenAI partially dismissed] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/24072131/sarah-silverman-paul-tremblay-openai-chatgpt-copyright-lawsuit) --- [Can This A.I.-Powered Search Engine Replace Google? It Has for Me.] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/technology/perplexity-search-ai-google.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok.] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

16 Feb 2024

1 HR 13 MINS

1:13:29

16 Feb 2024


#71

Bluesky’s Big Bet + Are Deals Dead in Silicon Valley?

Bluesky, the Twitter spin-off, is now open for public sign-ups. Can its dreams of decentralization fix social media? We talk with CEO Jay Graber. Then, New York Times reporter Erin Griffith on how Adobe’s failed acquisition of Figma has spooked tech companies and upset Silicon Valley’s startup pipeline. And finally, updates on ancient scrolls and artificial intelligence, Google’s chatbots, and the fight between record companies and TikTok.  Today’s guests:  ---Jay Graber, CEO of Bluesky ---Erin Griffith, reporter for The New York Times Additional Reading:  --- [What Is Bluesky and Why Are People Clamoring to Join It?] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/28/technology/what-is-bluesky.html) --- [After Its $20 Billion Windfall Evaporated, a Start-Up Picks Up the Pieces] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/technology/figma-adobe-.html) --- [First passages of rolled-up Herculaneum scroll revealed] (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00346-8) --- [Google Releases Gemini, an A.I.-Driven Chatbot and Voice Assistant] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/technology/google-gemini-ai-app.html) --- [Universal Music Group Pulls Songs From TikTok] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/arts/music/universal-group-tiktok-music.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube ] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

09 Feb 2024

1 HR 08 MINS

1:08:26

09 Feb 2024


#70

We Tried the Apple Vision Pro + Can Congress Protect Kids Online? + Cruise’s Crash

Apple’s Vision Pro headset is now for sale in stores. Will it live up to the hype? Kevin Roose and Casey Newton tried it out to see. Then, in a high-profile congressional hearing on child safety and social media, Mark Zuckerberg, the Meta chief executive, made an apology to families of victims of online child abuse. Is new legislation on the horizon? And finally, what the collapse of Cruise, the autonomous vehicle company, means for the future of self-driving cars. Additional Reading:  --- [Apple readies its Vision] (https://www.platformer.news/apple-vision-pro-hands-on-impressions/) --- [‘Your Product Is Killing People’: Tech Leaders Denounced Over Child Safety] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/technology/senate-child-safety-social-media.html) --- [Cruise Says Hostility to Regulators Led to Grounding of Its Autonomous Cars] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/technology/cruise-crash-report-san-francisco.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

02 Feb 2024

1 HR 13 MINS

1:13:34

02 Feb 2024


#69

Mediapocalypse Now + a16z’s Chris Dixon Defends Crypto + HatGPT

Layoffs are hitting newsrooms and publishers again, as tech platforms, ad markets and artificial intelligence reshape the internet. Kevin Roose and Casey Newton have ideas for solutions. Then, one of the most influential investors in crypto companies lays out where the industry went wrong, and why he still thinks blockchains are the future. And finally, a round of HatGPT with the week’s tech headlines, including a spicy LinkedIn post and an A.I. test that disturbs Kevin and Casey’s sense of reality. Today’s guest: Chris Dixon, partner at Andreessen Horowitz Additional Reading: ---Layoffs hit publishers including The [Los Angeles Times] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/business/media/los-angeles-times-layoffs-newsroom.html) and [Sports Illustrated] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/business/media/sports-illustrated-mass-layoffs.html) , while [Pitchfork is being wrapped into GQ] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/21/opinion/pitchfork-gq-internet-media.html) . ---“ [Read Write Own: Building the Next Era of the Internet,” by Chris Dixon] (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/744504/read-write-own-by-chris-dixon/) --- [Test Yourself: Which Faces Were Made by A.I.?] (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/19/technology/artificial-intelligence-image-generators-faces-quiz.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

26 Jan 2024

1 HR 15 MINS

1:15:39

26 Jan 2024


#68

The AI Election + Bitcoin’s Wall Street Debut + TikTok’s Doodad Era

OpenAI has released its plan to fight disinformation in elections in 2024, but will its policies be consequential compared to those of other generative A.I. companies? Then, a watershed moment had crypto fans celebrating for the first time in maybe more than a year. And finally, what one writer’s attempt to sell a used mechanical pencil on TikTok says about how the platform is changing. Today’s guests: ---David Yaffe-Bellany covers the crypto industry for The New York Times ---John Herrman covers technology for New York Magazine Additional Reading:  --- [How OpenAI is approaching 2024 worldwide elections] (https://openai.com/blog/how-openai-is-approaching-2024-worldwide-elections) --- [$4 Billion of New Bitcoin Funds Change Hands in First Trading Day] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/technology/bitcoin-etf-trading.html) --- [What I Learned Selling a Used Pencil on TikTok Shop] (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2024/01/what-i-learned-selling-a-used-pencil-on-tiktok-shop.html) We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

19 Jan 2024

1 HR 15 MINS

1:15:15

19 Jan 2024


#67

Why Casey Left Substack + Elon’s Drug Use + A.I. Antibiotic Discovery

Casey is taking his newsletter Platformer off Substack, as criticism over the company’s handling of pro-Nazi content grows. Then, The Wall Street Journal spoke with witnesses who said that Elon Musk had used LSD, cocaine, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, worrying some directors and board members of his companies. And finally, how researchers found a new class of antibiotics with the help of an artificial intelligence algorithm used to win the board game Go. Today’s guests: ---Kirsten Grind, enterprise reporter for The Wall Street Journal ---Felix Wong, postdoctoral fellow at M.I.T. and co-founder of Integrated Biosciences Additional Reading:  ---Why Platformer is [leaving Substack] (https://www.platformer.news/p/why-platformer-is-leaving-substack) . ---Elon Musk has [used illegal drugs] (https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1) , worrying leaders at Tesla and SpaceX. ---Researchers have [discovered] (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-class-of-antibiotics-discovered-using-ai/) a new class of antibiotics using A.I. We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

12 Jan 2024

1 HR 27 MINS

1:27:46

12 Jan 2024


#66

The Times Sues OpenAI + A Debate Over iMessage + Our New Year’s Tech Resolutions

The New York Times sued OpenAI and Microsoft last week for copyright infringement. Kevin Roose and Casey Newton walk through the lawsuit and discuss the stakes for news publishers. Then, they talk about Apple’s “walled garden,” which is facing threats from both regulators and 16-year-olds. Finally, we set our tech resolutions for the new year. Today’s guest: Eric Migicovsky, co-founder of Beeper Additional Reading: ---The New York Times [ sued] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/business/media/new-york-times-open-ai-microsoft-lawsuit.html) OpenAI. ---Apple’s [ latest headache] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/22/technology/apple-iphone-beeper-mini.html) in the debate over blue vs. green bubbles. We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

05 Jan 2024

1 HR 08 MINS

1:08:10

05 Jan 2024


#65

Our 2024 Predictions + Jenny Slate Answers Your Hard Questions!

Last year, we predicted what 2023 in tech would look like. This week, we take a look back at those predictions, see what we got right and wrong, and make new ones for 2024.  Then, the actor, comedian and writer Jenny Slate joins us to answer your Hard Questions. We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) .  Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

22 Dec 2023

1 HR 37 MINS

1:37:47

22 Dec 2023


#64

Google’s Epic Loss + Silicon Valley’s Curious New Subculture + How 2023 Changed the Internet

A jury decided the Google Play store unfairly stifles competition and maintains a monopoly. Kevin and Casey discuss how the ruling could reshape the digital economy. Then, a growing movement of developers and enthusiasts of artificial intelligence want the technology developed as quickly as possible, even if it has negative consequences for humanity. And finally, why the internet of the future could look totally different.  Today’s guest: Cloudflare CEO and co-founder Matthew Prince.  Additional Reading:  ---Epic Games [won its lawsuit] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/technology/epic-games-google-antitrust-ruling.html) against Google. ---‘ [Effective Accelerationism] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/technology/ai-acceleration.html) ’ is Silicon Valley’s latest, and maybe weirdest, counterculture. ---Cloudflare tracked the [biggest changes] (https://radar.cloudflare.com/year-in-review/2023) to the internet in 2023. We want to hear from you. Email us at [hardfork@nytimes.com] (mailto:hardfork@nytimes.com) . Find “Hard Fork” on [YouTube] (https://www.youtube.com/hardfork) and [TikTok] (https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork) . ... Read more

15 Dec 2023

1 HR 13 MINS

1:13:21

15 Dec 2023


#63

Google's Next Top Model + Will the Cybertruck Crash? + This Week in A.I.

Warning: This episode contains some explicit language. Google’s new artificial intelligence model ‘Gemini’ is out. It’s advertised as America’s next top A.I. model. Kevin and Casey ask, is it really better than OpenAI’s GPT-4? Then, by some estimates millions of people pre-ordered Tesla’s Cybertruck, but has Elon Musk’s recent behavior soured people on the brand? And finally, more A.I. news you may have missed.  Additional Reading:  ---Google is [chasing] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/technology/google-ai-bard-chatbot-gemini.html) ChatGPT with the launch of Gemini. ---Even if people cancel their Cybertruck pre-orders, it could still be [massively successful] (https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-cybertruck-success-failure/) . ---A new A.I. development may help fight [wine fraud] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/science/bordeaux-red-wine-estate-machine-learning.html) . ---Amazon’s new enterprise chatbot had a “ [severe hallucinations] (https://www.platformer.news/p/amazons-q-has-severe-hallucinations) ” problem. ---OpenAI [blocked a prompt] (https://www.404media.co/asking-chatgpt-to-repeat-words-forever-is-now-a-terms-of-service-violation/) that would cause ChatGPT to regurgitate its training data. ---Mountain Dew’s latest marketing stunt had an [A.I. watching Twitch streams] (https://www.mountaindew.com/world/raid/) . ... Read more

08 Dec 2023

57 MINS

57:18

08 Dec 2023


#62

What’s Next for OpenAI + Binance Is Binanceled + A.I. Is Eating the Internet

Warning: This episode contains some explicit language. The drama at OpenAI is not over. Kevin and Casey take stock of new information they’ve gathered since last week, and look at how other artificial intelligence companies are trying to capitalize on the debacle. Then, why people are still buying cryptocurrency even after Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange, and its founder pleaded guilty to money laundering violations. And finally, three ways A.I. is ruining web search. Or is it? Today’s guest: David Yaffe-Bellany covers crypto for The New York Times. Additional Reading: Casey has [new details] (https://www.platformer.news/p/the-openai-saga-isnt-over-just-yet) from the OpenAI board fight. Changpeng Zhao, the Binance founder, agreed to pay [a $50 million fine] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/technology/binance-changpeng-zhao-pleads-guilty.html) and step down from his role as chief executive. ... Read more

01 Dec 2023

1 HR 04 MINS

1:04:54

01 Dec 2023


#61

(Yet Another) Emergency Pod: Sam Altman Is Back

In yet another head-spinning twist at OpenAI, Sam Altman was reinstated as the company’s chief executive on Tuesday night, a mere five days after the OpenAI board had fired him. The board will be overhauled and a new set of directors, including Bret Taylor and Lawrence Summers, will join. Today, we discuss how Altman returned to the top seat — and whether the OpenAI news will ever slow down. Additional Reading: ---Late Tuesday night, Sam Altman was [reinstated as OpenAI’s chief executive] (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/technology/openai-sam-altman-returns.html) .   ... Read more

22 Nov 2023

13 MINS

13:48

22 Nov 2023