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Decoder with Nilay Patel

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The Verge

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

#797

Will the world end before I can retire?

Hey everyone, it’s Nilay — Decoder is on a short break this week. We’ll be back with a special live interview episode on Monday of next week, and then regular programming will resume in December. I’m very excited for what we have coming up on the schedule. But while we’re out, we’d like to highlight a great episode of a new podcast from our friends over at Vox called Explain It To Me. On this episode, host Jonquilyn Hill and her team tackle a decision that looms large for a lot of young people in America: How and when should you start saving for retirement — and will it even matter in a future of big, often scary uncertainties about work in the age of AI and the climate crisis? Links: ---Explain It To Me | [Apple Podcasts] (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/explain-it-to-me/id1042433083) ---Will the world end before I can retire? | [Vox] (https://www.vox.com/explain-it-to-me/377960/saving-retirement-gen-z-401k-advice) ---Vox launches Explain It to Me franchise to answer audience questions | [Explain It To Me] (https://www.vox.com/explain-it-to-me/372258/explain-it-to-me-franchise-launch-answer-audience-questions) ---The doomers are wrong about humanity’s future — and its past | [Vox] (https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23627382/progress-climate-change-poverty-global-health-doom-industrial-revolution-vaccines) ---Against doomerism | [Vox] (https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23632673/against-doomerism) ---End Times: A Brief Guide to the End of the World | [Bryan Walsh] (https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/bryan-walsh/end-times/9780316449601/) ---Here's how self-made millionaire Vivian Tu created wealth | [CNBC] (https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/06/heres-how-self-made-millionaire-vivian-tu-created-wealth.html) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

18 Nov 2024

45 MINS

45:02

18 Nov 2024

#796

How Trump’s second term could be bad for EVs, but great for Tesla

Today we’re talking about Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and Tesla — and I have to say, it feels like the first of many episodes about these three characters that we’ll be doing over the course of the next four years. Because when Elon used his wealth and influence to help Trump get elected, he also bought himself a seat at the president-elect’s inner circle. But what does the world’s richest person really want in return? And how is the CEO of an electric car company, an outspoken advocate for combating climate change, going to square his support for Trump and a Republican policy agenda centered on climate change denial? Verge transportation editor Andy Hawkins joins me this week to make sense of it all, and to figure out how Elon and Tesla may still benefit, even if Trump's climate policy reversals and tariffs lay waste to the auto industry. Links: ---What does Trump’s election mean for EVs, Tesla, and Elon Musk? | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/6/24289494/trump-election-electric-vehicle-tax-credit-tesla-elon-musk) ---This election will decide what kind of car you’ll buy | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24279434/presidential-election-trump-biden-harris-ev-2024-electric-vehicle-car) ---Trump says Musk will lead ‘DOGE’ office to cut ‘wasteful’ government spending | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/12/24295165/trump-elon-musk-doge-cut-government-spending) ---Elon Musk attends Trump's first post-election meeting with House Republicans | [CNBC] (https://cnbc.com/amp/2024/11/13/elon-musk-trump-house-republicans.html) ---At Mar-a-Lago, ‘Uncle’ Elon Musk puts his imprint on the Trump transition | [NYT] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/13/us/politics/musk-trump-transition-mar-a-lago.html) ---Musk believes in global warming. Trump does not. Will that change? | [NYT] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/climate/elon-musk-trump-tesla.html) ---Elon Musk helped elect Trump? What does he expect in return? | [NYT] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-benefits.html) ---With ready orders and an energy czar, Trump plots pivot to fossil fuels | [NYT] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/climate/trump-transition-epa-interior-energy.html) ---Tesla hits $1 trillion market value as Musk-backed Trump win fans optimism | [Reuters] (https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-hits-1-trillion-market-value-musk-backed-trump-win-fans-optimism-2024-11-08/) ---Trump’s return dims outlook for Chinese EV makers amid tariff threats | [SCMP] (https://www.scmp.com/business/china-evs/article/3286081/not-fan-evs-trumps-comeback-hurt-chinese-ev-makers-expect-rough-seas) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

14 Nov 2024

35 MINS

35:56

14 Nov 2024

#795

Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

Harvey Mason, Jr is CEO of the Recording Academy, the nonprofit organization most famous for the Grammy Awards. We spoke right before this year's Grammy nominations came out, and you'll hear us talk a whole lot about the changes he's tried to make with how the awarding membership works. I always say to watch what’s happening to the music industry because it’s a preview into what will happen to every other creative industry five years later. My chat with Harvey really drove the point home: AI, diversity, streaming distribution... it's all here, and all the tensions that come with. Links: --- [2025 Grammy nominations: The complete list] (https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5181957/2025-grammy-nominations-complete-list) | NPR --- [The Grammys Move From CBS To Disney In Major 10-Year Deal] (https://deadline.com/2024/10/the-grammys-move-cbs-to-disney-10-year-deal-1236162518/) | Deadline --- [Recording Academy boots Grammy voters] (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2024-10-03/grammys-recording-academy-harvey-mason-jr-new-members) | Los Angeles Times --- [Chappell Roan and the problem with fandom] (https://www.vox.com/culture/373359/chappell-roan-speaks-out-against-toxic-fandom-stans-harassment) | Vox --- [Grammys CEO: Music that contains AI-created elements is eligible] (https://apnews.com/article/grammys-ceo-ai-rules-interview-dea135035893deab37719c354f31a889) | AP News --- [Deborah Dugan Grammys Controversy: What to Know] (https://time.com/5770558/deborah-dugan-grammys-controversy/) | Time --- [For Taylor Swift, the Future of Music Is a Love Story] (https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-taylor-swift-the-future-of-music-is-a-love-story-1404763219) | Wall Street Journal (2014) --- [AI is on a collision course with music] (https://www.theverge.com/23938498/golnar-khosrowshahi-reservoir-media-ai-music-copyright-publishing-decoder-interview) | Decoder --- [Elvis Costello defends Olivia Rodrigo over ‘Brutal’ plagiarism claim] (https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57650176) | BBC --- [Why Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen thinks AI is the future] (https://www.theverge.com/24153956/adobe-shantanu-narayen-ai-firefly-premiere-photoshop-pdf-creativity-commerce) | Decoder Transcript: Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

11 Nov 2024

1 HR 14 MINS

1:14:59

11 Nov 2024

#794

Return-to-office mandates are more than "backdoor layoffs"

Today, we’re talking about work. Specifically, where we work, how our expectations of working remotely were radically changed by the pandemic, and how those expectations feel like they’re on the verge of changing yet again. For many people, the pendulum has swung wildly between working fully remote and now a push to return to the office from their bosses, and there are a lot of theories about what might really be motivating big companies to try and bring everyone back. To explain it, I caught up with two experts on the subject: Stephan Meier, a professor of business strategy at Columbia Business School, and Jessica Kriegel, the chief strategy officer at workplace culture consultancy Culture Partners. We dive into what’s been happening to the nature of work today, and whether Amazon, which just announced a major return to the office five days a week, is part of a bigger trend. Links: ---Amazon is making its employees come back to the office five days a week | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/16/24246428/amazon-return-to-office-five-days-a-week) ---Amazon CEO denies 5-day office mandate is a ‘backdoor layoff’ | [CNBC] (https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/05/amazon-ceo-andy-jassy-5-day-office-mandate-isnt-a-backdoor-layoff.html) ---Bob Iger tells Disney employees they must return to the office four days a week | [CNBC] (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/09/disney-ceo-bob-iger-tells-employees-to-return-to-the-office-four-days-a-week.html) ---A quarter of bosses admit return-to-office mandates meant to make staff quit | [Fortune] (https://fortune.com/2024/07/24/return-to-office-mandates-layoffs-bamboohr-survey/) ---More Americans now prefer hybrid over fully remote work, survey finds | [Axios] (https://www.axios.com/2024/04/09/hybrid-remote-work-preference-us) ---Google tells staff: stay productive and we’ll stay flexible | [BI] (https://www.businessinsider.com/google-hybrid-work-policy-amazon-rto-employees-workplace-remote-2024-10) ---The list of major companies requiring employees to return to the office | [BI] (https://www.businessinsider.com/companies-requiring-return-to-office-rto-mandate) ---Thinking Inside the Box: Why Virtual Meetings Generate Fewer Ideas | [Columbia] (https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/thinking-inside-box-why-virtual-meetings-generate-fewer-ideas#:~:text=In%20a%20laboratory%20experiment%20conducted,ideas%20than%20their%20virtual%20counterparts.) ---Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn wants you addicted to learning | [Decoder] (https://www.theverge.com/24267841/luis-von-ahn-duolingo-owl-language-learning-gamification-generative-ai-android-decoder) ---Sundar Pichai on managing Google through the pandemic | [Vergecast] (https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21262934/google-alphabet-ceo-sundar-pichai-interview-pandemic-coronavirus) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

07 Nov 2024

39 MINS

39:14

07 Nov 2024

#793

Why GM ditched CarPlay, with software boss Baris Cetinok

Today, I’m talking with Baris Cetinok, who is in charge of all the software in the cars that GM makes, which is a lot of cars. And if you’ve been following any of the drama in the world of car software, you know it also means Baris is the guy who has to defend GM’s decision to drop Apple CarPlay and Android Auto from most of its cars, especially EVs. I’ve had versions of this conversation with the CEOs of car companies before, but Baris is in charge of actually building this stuff. So we really got into the weeds here on what this looks like, the major trade-offs, and why he thinks it’s ultimately the right path for GM. Links: ---GM names new leaders of software organization | [The Detroit News] (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2024/06/03/gm-names-new-leaders-of-software-organization/73955657007/) ---GM is cutting off access to Apple CarPlay & Android Auto for its future EVs | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/31/23664814/gm-ev-restrict-apple-carplay-android-auto-google) ---Will GM Regret Kicking Apple CarPlay off the Dashboard? | [Bloomberg] (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-05-01/will-gm-regret-kicking-apple-carplay-off-the-dashboard?srnd=homepage-americas) ---Rivian CEO: CarPlay isn’t going to happen | [Decoder] (https://www.theverge.com/24201749/rivian-ceo-rj-scaringe-ev-electric-truck-r1-tesla-model-y-competition-decoder-interview) ---Volvo CEO thinks dropping CarPlay is a mistake | [Decoder] (https://www.theverge.com/23958821/volvo-ceo-interview-electric-cars-apple-carplay-google-android-auto-decoder) ---GM Ultifi software platform will roll out in 2023 | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/29/22700400/gm-ultifi-software-ota-update-subscription-facial-recognition) ---Android Auto vs. Android Automotive vs. Google Automotive Services | [Android Police] (https://www.androidpolice.com/android-auto-vs-android-automotive-vs-google-automotive-services/) ---GM plans another big Super Cruise hands-free expansion | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/15/24072850/gm-super-cruise-expansion-hands-free-750000-miles) ---GM will start making money on EVs this year | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273630/gm-ev-profitability-viability-2024-barra) ---How GM plans to beat Google, Apple at car software | [Motor Trend] (https://www.motortrend.com/news/general-motors-in-car-software-vs-google-and-apple/) Transcript: [https://www.theverge.com/e/24049622] (https://www.theverge.com/e/24049622) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

04 Nov 2024

1 HR 14 MINS

1:14:35

04 Nov 2024

#792

“It’s the First Amendment, stupid”

Trump and a bunch of billionaires, like Elon Musk, are calling for the FCC to punish TV stations by revoking their licenses and using the spectrum for other stuff. In a normal world, this would be idle billionaire wishcasting. Punishing news organizations is one of those things we have a First Amendment to protect against. You know — the one that protects free speech by prohibiting the government from making speech regulations or punishing people for what they say? But, it turns out, there is a long and complex history of the government regulating speech on broadcast platforms like radio and television — and that history dovetails into many of the problems we have regulating tech companies and social platforms today. Verge senior tech and policy editor Adi Robertson joins me to dive in. Links: ---The Verge guide to the 2024 US presidential election | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24279527/2024-presidential-election-guide-tech-policy) ---FCC chair rejects Trump’s call to revoke CBS license over Harris interview | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/10/24267054/fcc-chair-rosenworcel-trump-harris-60-minutes-cbs-license) ---Florida official who resigned after letter to TV stations blames DeSantis’ office | [MSNBC] (https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/florida-desantis-abortion-ad-amendment-4-john-wilson-rcna176580) ---“To keep it simple for the state of Florida: It’s the First Amendment, stupid” | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273853/to-keep-it-simple-for-the-state-of-florida-its-the-first-amendment-stupid) ---How America turned against the First Amendment | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/23435358/first-amendment-free-speech-midterm-elections-courts-hypocrisy) ---Why Sen. Brian Schatz thinks child safety can trump the First Amendment | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24054658/senator-brian-schatz-congress-kosa-first-amendment-regulation-decoder-interview) ---How the Kids Online Safety Act puts us all at risk | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/4/23819578/kosa-kids-online-safety-act-privacy-danger) ---Here’s a bunch of bananas shit Trump said today about breaking up Google | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/15/24271297/google-donald-trump-bananas-breaking-up-bananas) ---Barack Obama on AI, free speech, and the future of the internet | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/23948871/barack-obama-ai-regulation-free-speech-first-amendment-decoder-interview) ---Why you’re seeing those gross political ads during the World Series | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/30/24283757/world-series-political-ads-anti-trans-abortion-dodgers-yankees) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

31 Oct 2024

42 MINS

42:42

31 Oct 2024

#791

Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on what founder mode really means

Today, I’m talking with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky, who is only the second person to be on Decoder three times — the other is Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg. Brian made a lot of waves earlier this year when he started talking about something called “founder mode,” or at least, when well-known investor Paul Graham wrote a blog post about Brian’s approach to running Airbnb that gave it that name. Founder mode has since become a little bit of a meme, and I was excited to have Brian back on to talk about it, and what specifically he thinks it means. Talking to Brian is a ride, but I think I held my own, and I think you’ll really like this one. Links: ---Founder Mode | [Paul Graham] (https://www.paulgraham.com/foundermode.html) ---Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky is taking it back to basics (2023) | [Decoder] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/9/23716903/airbnb-ceo-brian-chesky-rooms-ai-travel-future-of-work-summer-2023) ---Why the future of work is the future of travel, with Airbnb’s Brian Chesky (2021) | [Decoder] (https://www.theverge.com/22783422/airbnb-pandemic-ceo-brian-chesky-interview-travel-decoder-podcast) ---Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky: ‘I Never Called it Founder Mode’ | [Skift] (https://skift.com/2024/09/21/airbnb-ceo-brian-chesky-i-never-called-it-founder-mode/) ---Why Silicon Valley is abuzz over ‘Founder Mode’ | [NYT] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/business/dealbook/founder-mode-chesky-graham.html) ---After Apple, Jony Ive Is Building an Empire of His Own | [NYT] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/21/technology/jony-ive-apple-lovefrom.html) ---Airbnb can now help you find somebody to manage your listing | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24271838/airbnb-co-host-network-manage-listing-2024-winter-release) ---Airbnb creates new chief business officer role | [Reuters] (https://www.reuters.com/business/airbnb-creates-new-chief-business-officer-role-appoints-new-chief-financial-2023-12-05/) ---Why Jeff Bezos Says Your Goal Is to Make 3 Good Decisions per Day | [Inc] (https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/jeff-bezos-difference-between-decisions-actions-make-3-good-decisions-per-day.html) ---Taking the Mystery out of Scaling a Company | [Ben Horowtiz] (https://a16z.com/taking-the-mystery-out-of-scaling-a-company/) Transcript: [https://www.theverge.com/e/24043611] (https://www.theverge.com/e/24043611) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

28 Oct 2024

1 HR 15 MINS

1:15:45

28 Oct 2024

#790

The AI arms race to build digital god

Today, we’re going to try and figure out "digital god." I figured we’ve been doing Decoder long enough, let’s just get after it. Can we build an artificial intelligence so powerful it changes the world and answers all our questions? The AI industry has decided the answer is yes. In September, OpenAI’s Sam Altman published a blog post claiming we’ll have superintelligent AI in “a few thousand days.” And earlier this month, Dario Amodei, the CEO of Anthropic published a 14,000-word post laying out what he thinks such a system will be capable of when it does arrive, which he says could be as soon as 2026. Verge senior AI reporter Kylie Robison joins me on the show to break it all down. Links: ---Machines of Loving Grace | [Dario Amodei] (https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace) ---The Intelligence Age | [Sam Altman] (https://ia.samaltman.com/) ---Anthropic’s CEO thinks AI will lead to a utopia | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24268209/anthropic-ai-dario-amodei-agi-funding-blog) ---AI manifestos flood the tech zone | [Axios] (https://www.axios.com/2024/10/17/ai-manifesto-anthropic-dario-amodei) ---OpenAI just raised $6.6 billion to build ever-larger AI models | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/2/24260457/openai-funding-round-thrive-capital-6-billion) ---OpenAI was a research lab — now it’s just another tech company | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/27/24255177/openai-safety-mira-murati-quit-sam-altman-cofounders-exodus) ---California governor vetoes major AI safety bill | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/29/24232172/california-ai-safety-bill-1047-vetoed-gavin-newsom) ---Inside the white-hot center of AI doomerism | [NYT] (Inside%20the%20White-Hot%20Center%20of%20A.I.%20Doomerism) ---Microsoft and OpenAI’s close partnership shows signs of fraying | [NYT] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/technology/microsoft-openai-partnership-deal.html) ---The $14 Billion question dividing OpenAI and Microsoft | [WSJ] (https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-14-billion-question-dividing-openai-and-microsoft-71cf7d37) ---Anthropic has floated $40 Billion valuation in funding talks | [The Information] (https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-rival-anthropic-has-floated-40-billion-valuation-in-early-talks-about-new-funding) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

24 Oct 2024

46 MINS

46:58

24 Oct 2024

#789

Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode

Today’s episode, well — it’s a ride. I’m talking to Intuit CEO Sasan Goodarzi, who’s built Intuit into a juggernaut business software company in part through a series of major acquisitions: TurboTax, MailChimp, CreditKarma, and loads more. There’s a lot of good Decoder material there, and we get into it. But it’s TurboTax, and the company’s tax lobbying efforts to protect it, that really drives a major narrative about Intuit, for better and worse. So you can bet I asked Sasan about all this, and it got a bit contentious. In fact, the company's chief communications officer even demanded we delete a portion of this interview over an exchange with Sasan on TurboTax. Don’t worry — we don’t do that here at The Verge. So expect to hear that section right up top, with the rest of the interview following after. Links: ---Inside TurboTax’s 20-year fight to stop Americans from filing taxes for free| [ProPublica] (https://propublica.org/article/inside-turbotax-20-year-fight-to-stop-americans-from-filing-their-taxes-for-free) ---TurboTax deliberately hid free file page from Google Search | [ProPublica] (https://www.propublica.org/article/turbotax-deliberately-hides-its-free-file-page-from-search-engines) ---TurboTax maker Intuit spent millions in record lobbying blitz | [OpenSecrets] (https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/02/turbotax-maker-intuit-spent-millions-in-record-lobbying-blitz-amid-threats-to-tax-prep-industry/) ---FTC: Intuit’s “free” TurboTax ads misled consumers | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/8/23864538/turbotax-intuit-ftc-deceptive-practices-free-tax-filing) ---TurboTax isn’t allowed to say it’s ‘free’ anymore | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/23/24047807/turbotax-misleading-advertising-free-tax-file-ftc-final-order) ---Intuit owes you money if it made you pay for TurboTax “free” | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/4/23057463/intuit-141-million-agreement-new-york-attorney-general-turbotax-free) ---IRS extends its Free File tax program for five more years | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/23/24163530/irs-free-file-tax-program-extended) ---IRS Direct File set to expand availability in a dozen new states | [IRS] (https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-direct-file-set-to-expand-availability-in-a-dozen-new-states-and-cover-wider-range-of-tax-situations-for-the-2025-tax-filing-season) ---Mint is shutting down, and it’s pushing users toward Credit Karma | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/2/23943254/mint-intuit-shutting-down-credit-karma) ---Intuit Mailchimp CEO Rania Succar on Decoder | [Decoder] (https://www.theverge.com/24115515/intuit-mailchimp-ceo-rania-succar-acquisition-email-marketing-ai-small-business-decoder-interview) ---Ethics Statement | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/ethics-statement) Transcript: [https://www.theverge.com/e/24037861] (https://www.theverge.com/e/24037861) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

21 Oct 2024

56 MINS

56:53

21 Oct 2024

#788

How influencers are changing advertising with Digitas CEO Amy Lanzi

Today’s episode is a little different: Digitas CEO Amy Lanzi and I recorded this conversation live on stage during advertising week in New York City at an event graciously hosted by Adweek. I've actually been dying to talk to Amy. Digitas is one of the most important agencies in the entire advertising business with huge clients and massive influence over big platforms like Instagram and YouTube. After all, they're the ones buying the ads that keep all of those companies afloat. As you'd expect, she has a lot of thoughts about influencers, creators, AI, and everything that is going to change the advertising industry in the months and years to come. Links: ---Publicis Groupe acquires influencer-marketing giant Influential | [Marketing Dive] (https://www.marketingdive.com/news/publicis-groupe-acquires-influential-influencer-marketing/722520/) ---Epsilon has first Digital CDP to provide native omni-channel activation | [Epsilon] (https://www.epsilon.com/us/about-us/pressroom/epsilon-digital-cdp-first-customer-data-platform-to-provide-native-omni-channel-activation-for-marketers) ---Stagwell is on the hunt for adtech as the ad company continues its acquisition spree | [BI] (https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-penn-stagwell-group-eyes-adtech-acquisitions-2024-4) ---Emma Chamberlain Is the People’s Influencer | [Allure] (https://www.allure.com/story/emma-chamberlain-june-2020-cover-interview) ---Inside the World of Sephora Squad | [Marketing Scoop] (https://www.marketingscoop.com/consumer/what-is-sephora-squad/) ---Fanatics Launches Fanatics Live, a Next-Gen Live Commerce Platform | [Fanatics] (https://www.fanaticsinc.com/press-releases/fanatics-officially-launches-fanatics-live-a-next-gen-live-commerce-platform) ---There’s no AI without the cloud, says AWS CEO Adam Selipsky | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/23824200/ai-cloud-amazon-aws-adam-selipsky) ---A Google breakup is on the table, say DOJ lawyers | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/8/24265832/google-search-antitrust-remedies-framework-android-chrome-play) ---For Gen Z, TikTok Is the New Search Engine | [The New York Times] (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/technology/gen-z-tiktok-search-engine.html) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

17 Oct 2024

1 HR 04 MINS

1:04:50

17 Oct 2024

#787

Duolingo CEO Luis Von Ahn wants you addicted to learning

Luis von Ahn is the co-founder and CEO of Duolingo. There are lots of opportunities to enhance a product like Duolingo with AI, and we talk about all that — but I also wanted to talk to Luis about learning, generally. Duolingo is a global product, and there are a lot of tech tensions there, dealing with different user needs worldwide. We talk about it all in a pretty direct way... including all those unhinged things the owl does on social media. Links: --- [Duolingo Introduces AI-Powered Innovations at Duocon 2024] (https://investors.duolingo.com/news-releases/news-release-details/duolingo-introduces-ai-powered-innovations-duocon-2024) (Duolingo) --- [Video Call with Lily] (https://www.youtube.com/embed/PIxxfBwjkTA) (Duolingo / YouTube) --- [AI Boosts Duolingo As Company Posts First Profit] (https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/ai-boosts-duolingo-as-company-posts-first-profit) (Nasdaq) --- [Foreign Language Training] (https://www.state.gov/foreign-language-training/) (US State Department) --- [Exploring My Villain Origin Story] (https://www.tiktok.com/@duolingo/video/7415619477552827679?lang=en) (Duolingo / TikTok) --- [Duolingo cuts workers as it relies more on AI] (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/01/10/duolingo-ai-layoffs/) (The Washington Post) --- [Why Silicon Valley Is Talking About Founder Mode] (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/business/dealbook/founder-mode-chesky-graham.html) (The New York Times) --- [Duolingo's Math and Music lessons finally hit Android a year after iOS] (https://www.androidpolice.com/duolingo-math-music-lessons-arrive-on-android/) (Android Police) --- [Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on taking it back to basics] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/9/23716903/airbnb-ceo-brian-chesky-rooms-ai-travel-future-of-work-summer-2023) (Decoder / The Verge) --- [How Duolingo is using its 'unhinged content' with Duo the Owl] (https://digiday.com/marketing/how-duolingo-is-using-its-unhinged-content-with-duo-the-owl-to-make-people-laugh-on-tiktok/) (Digiday) --- [How we turned Duo's butt into a viral Super Bowl commercial] (https://blog.duolingo.com/super-bowl-commercial-2024/) (Duolingo) --- [A Duolingo employee has apologised for joking about Amber Heard] (https://thetab.com/uk/2022/05/19/duolingo-amber-heard-252204) (The Tab) Transcript: [https://www.theverge.com/e/24031882] (https://www.theverge.com/e/24031882) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

14 Oct 2024

1 HR 23 MINS

1:23:55

14 Oct 2024

#786

The impossible dream of good workplace software

I’m talking with my good friend David Pierce, Vergecast co-host and The Verge’s editor-at-large, about something he spends an ungodly amount of time thinking and writing about: software. Scores of new workplace apps are cropping with clever metaphors to try to make us work differently. Sometimes that works… and sometimes it really, really doesn’t. And it feels like the addition of AI to the mix will accelerate the pace of experimentation here in pretty radical ways. Links: ---Why software is eating the world | [Wall Street Journal] (https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903480904576512250915629460) (2011) ---Mailchimp CEO Rania Succar on why email makes sense for Intuit | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24115515/intuit-mailchimp-ceo-rania-succar-acquisition-email-marketing-ai-small-business-decoder-interview) ---Why would anyone make a website in 2023? | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/23795154/squarespace-ai-seo-web-social-algorithms-anthony-casalena) ---Wix CEO Avishai Abrahami isn’t worried AI will kill the web | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/23977985/wix-ceo-avishai-abrahami-generative-ai-web-google-search-interview) ---Figma CEO Dylan Field is optimistic about AI | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24102160/figma-ceo-adobe-deal-design-ai-web-future-regulation-sxsw-decoder-interview) ---We don’t sell saddles here | [Stewart Butterfield] (https://medium.com/@stewart/we-dont-sell-saddles-here-4c59524d650d) (2014) ---The CEO of Zoom wants AI clones in meetings | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/3/24168733/zoom-ceo-ai-clones-digital-twins-videoconferencing-decoder-interview) ---Dropbox CEO Drew Houston wants you to embrace AI | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24128606/dropbox-drew-houston-ai-remote-work-virtual-organization) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

10 Oct 2024

50 MINS

50:22

10 Oct 2024

#785

Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn't thinking too far ahead

Rabbit’s adorable R1 gadget launched with a lot of hype, but early reviews of the device were universally bad. Now, a core feature, its long-promised LAM Playground has arrived. I had a lot of big questions for CEO Jesse Lyu about how it all works — not just technologically, but if his plans are sustainable from a business and legal perspective. Links: ---Rabbit R1 review: an unfinished, unhelpful AI gadget | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147159/rabbit-r1-review-ai-gadget) ---Loopholes aren’t a technology | [Buzzfeed News] (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jwherrman/loopholes-arent-a-technology) (2012) ---I tested Rabbit R1's next generation LAM — and it tried to gaslight me | [Tom’s Hardware] (https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/i-just-tested-rabbit-r1s-next-generation-lam-is-this-what-the-company-actually-promised) ---I tried Rabbit's LAM Playground, and I'm still disappointed | [Android Authority] (https://www.androidauthority.com/rabbit-lam-playground-3486938/) ---Rabbit's AI bot will try to help you do anything (keyword is 'try') | [Fast Company] (https://www.fastcompany.com/91201935/rabbits-long-awaited-ai-bot-will-try-to-help-you-do-anything-keyword-is-try) ---Rabbit’s web-based ‘large action model’ agent arrives on R1 October 1 | [TechCrunch] (https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/23/rabbits-web-based-large-action-model-agent-arrives-on-r1-as-early-as-this-week/) ---Rabbit R1 founder defends “unfinished” AI gadget | [City AM] (https://www.cityam.com/rabbit-r1-founder-defends-unfinished-ai-gadget/) ---AI hardware is in its flip-phone phase | [Fast Company] (https://www.fastcompany.com/91196736/ai-hardware-is-in-its-flip-phone-phase) ---The iPhone 16 will ship as a work in progress | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/10/24241043/apple-iphone-16-pro-intelligence-ai-missing) ---Humane AI Pin review: Not even close | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24126502/humane-ai-pin-review) ---Marques Brownlee says ‘I hear you’ after fans criticize his new wallpaper app | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/24/24253023/mkbhd-panels-wallpaper-app-response-criticism) Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/24024222 Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

07 Oct 2024

1 HR 22 MINS

1:22:55

07 Oct 2024

#784

The toxic transformation of Warcraft maker Blizzard

Today, I’m talking to Jason Schreier, a Bloomberg journalist and author of the new book Play Nice: The Rise, Fall, and Future of Blizzard Entertainment. If you don’t know Blizzard, you do know its games — the studio behind Warcraft, Diablo, and Overwatch has achieved legendary status over three decades. At the same time, the company has become emblematic of many of gaming’s biggest failings. Jason’s book is out on October 8th, and it’s an incredible, detailed accounting of how Blizzard started, grew into a hitmaker and, eventually, became a victim of its own mismanagement. Oh, and there are a series of chaotic acquisitions along the way, culminating in Microsoft’s purchase of Activision Blizzard last year. In this episode, Jason and I get into all of this and more. Links: ---Play Nice: The Rise, Fall and Future of Blizzard Entertainment | [Hachette] (https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jason-schreier/play-nice/9781538725443/?lens=grand-central-publishing) ---How Blizzard’s canceled MMO Titan fell apart | [Polygon] (https://www.polygon.com/excerpt/458330/why-blizzard-mmo-titan-was-cancelled) ---Blizzard was built on crunch, co-founder says, but it’s ‘not sustainable’ | [Polygon] (https://www.polygon.com/2019/6/27/18761120/video-games-crunch-developers-unionize-mike-morhaime-comments-blizzard-world-of-warcraft) ---Inside Activision and Blizzard’s corporate warcraft | [Bloomberg] (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-09-25/book-excerpt-play-nice-the-rise-fall-and-future-of-blizzard-entertainment) ---Blizzard cofounder’s new company Dreamhaven aims to recreate old magic | [Bloomberg] (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-09-18/blizzard-co-founder-s-new-company-dreamhaven-aims-to-recreate-the-old-magic) ---Activision Blizzard’s rot goes all the way to the CEO, alleges report | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/16/22785457/activision-blizzard-bobby-kotick-ceo-wall-street-journal-wsj-report-allegations) ---Activision Blizzard’s workplace problems spurred $75 billion microsoft Deal | [WSJ] (https://www.wsj.com/articles/activision-blizzard-microsoft-deal-11642557922) ---California settles Activision Blizzard gender discrimination lawsuit | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003556/california-activision-blizzard-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-settlement) ---Microsoft completes Activision Blizzard acquisition | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/13/23791235/microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-complete-finalized) ---Microsoft lays off 1,900 Activision Blizzard and Xbox employees | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24049050/microsoft-activision-blizzard-layoffs) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

03 Oct 2024

53 MINS

53:36

03 Oct 2024

#783

NBCU's streaming chief isn't worried about you canceling cable

Matt Strauss is the Chairman of Direct-to-Consumer at NBC Universal. That’s a big fancy title that means he’s not only in charge of Peacock but also every other streaming video offering the company has worldwide. So you can bet Matt and I got into what that structure even looks like, and how it all operates under the overall ownership of Comcast, which is in the middle of its own massive transition as its traditional cable TV business continues to fade. There’s a lot in this one – tech, media, sports, and culture, all at once. It’s quite a ride. Links: --- [Comcast's new DVR ditches the hard drive, stores your recordings in the cloud] (https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/11/4418868/comcast-xi3-dvr-ditches-hard-drive-puts-your-recordings-in-cloud) (The Verge, 2013) --- [Comcast and Charter Lost Another 269,000 Broadband Customers Last Quarter] (https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/08/08/comcast-and-charter-lost-another-269000-broadband/) (The Motley Fool) --- [It's official, people aren't watching TV as much as they used to] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/15/23833516/nielsen-tv-cable-50-percent-decline-viewership-bum-bums) (The Verge) --- [The future of TV is up in the air] (https://www.theverge.com/23629525/tv-atsc3-free-antenna-broadcasts-scripps-nuvyyo) (The Verge) --- [Peacock Quarterly Loss Narrows to $348M as Subscribers Drop to 33M] (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/comcast-q2-earnings-report-peacock-loss-nbcuniversal-1235953927/) (THR) --- [OTA and free online video drives higher US TV-video viewing hours] (https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/ota-and-free-online-video-drives-higher-us-tv-video-viewing-hours) (S&P Global) --- [Streaming was part of the future — now it’s the only future] (https://www.theverge.com/21536842/streaming-disney-hbo-max-peacock-cbs-all-access-warnermedia-viacom-nbcuniversal) (The Verge) --- [US pay-TV losses reach a nadir] (https://www.lightreading.com/video-streaming/US-pay-TV-losses-reach-a-nadir) (Light Reading) --- [The 2024 Olympics were a big win for TV of all kinds] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/20/24224359/olympics-2024-paris-big-win-streaming-tv) (The Verge) --- [Court blocks Disney-Fox-WBD sports streaming bundle] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/16/24222035/venu-sports-disney-fox-wbd-blocked-court-antitrust) (The Verge) --- [An AI version of Al Michaels will deliver Olympic recaps on Peacock ] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/26/24185774/olympics-ai-al-michaels-voice-recaps) (The Verge) Transcript: Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

30 Sep 2024

1 HR 15 MINS

1:15:34

30 Sep 2024

#782

Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

We have a very special episode of Decoder today. It’s become a tradition every fall to have Verge deputy editor Alex Heath interview Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg on the show at Meta Connect. This year, before his interview with Mark, Alex got to try a new pair of experimental AR glasses the company is calling Orion. Alex talked to Mark about a whole lot more, including why the company is investing so heavily in AR, why he's shifted away from politics, Mark's thoughts on the link between teen mental health and social media, and why the Meta chief executive is done apologizing for corporate scandals like Cambridge Analytica that he feels were overblown and misrepresented. Links: ---Hands-on with Orion, Meta’s first pair of AR glasses | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo-mark-zuckerberg-interview) ---The biggest news from Meta Connect 2024 | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/25/24250234/meta-connect-rayban-glasses-orion-ai-llama) ---Mark Zuckerberg: publishers ‘overestimate the value’ of their work for training AI | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/25/24254042/mark-zuckerberg-creators-value-ai-meta) ---Meta extends its Ray-Ban smart glasses deal beyond 2030 | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/17/24247236/meta-ray-ban-smart-glasses-essilorluxottica) ---The Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses actually make the future look cool | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/23922425/ray-ban-meta-smart-glasses-review) ---Meta has a major opportunity to win the AI hardware race | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/21/24250020/ray-ban-meta-smart-glasses-ai-hardware-meta-connect) ---Instagram is putting every teen into more private and restrictive new account | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/17/24246423/instagram-teen-account-private-restrictive) ---Threads isn’t for news and politics, says Instagram’s boss | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/7/23787334/instagram-threads-news-politics-adam-mosseri-meta-facebook) ---Facebook puts news on the back burner | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/20/23271108/facebook-news-bulletin-newsletter-shift-resources-video-feed-creators) ---Meta is losing a billion dollars on VR and AR every single month | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/26/24142055/meta-is-losing-a-billion-dollars-on-vr-and-ar-every-single-month) Transcript: [https://www.theverge.com/e/24017522] (https://www.theverge.com/e/24017522) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt; our editor is Callie Wright. This episode was additionally produced by Brett Putman and Vjeran Pavic. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

25 Sep 2024

1 HR 10 MINS

1:10:55

25 Sep 2024

#781

Arc creator Josh Miller on why you need a better browser than Chrome

Today, I’m talking with Josh Miller, co-founder and CEO of The Browser Company, a relatively new software maker that develops the Arc browser. The company also has a mobile app called Arc Search that does AI summaries of webpages, which puts it right in the middle of a contentious debate in the tech industry around paying web creators for their work. We’ve been talking about these topics pretty much nonstop for last year here on Decoder. So I was really excited to have Josh on the show to explore why he built Arc, what he hopes it will accomplish, and what might happen to browsers, search engines, and the web itself as these trends evolve. Links: ---Researcher reveals ‘catastrophic’ security flaw in the Arc browser | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/20/24249919/arc-browser-boost-firebase-vulnerability-patched) ---The Arc browser is the Chrome replacement I’ve been waiting for | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/23462235/arc-web-browser-review) ---Arc’s mobile browser is here — and it’s not really a web browser at all | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/30/23662130/arc-mobile-browser-hands-on-ios) ---Arc is getting better bookmarks and search results, all thanks to AI | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/1/24058013/arc-browser-smart-folders-browse-for-me-ai) ---Arc Search combines browser, search engine, and AI into something new | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/28/24053882/arc-search-browser-web-app-ios) ---Judge rules that Google ‘is a monopolist’ in US antitrust case | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24155520/judge-rules-on-us-doj-v-google-antitrust-search-suit) ---Google paid Apple $20 billion in 2022 to be Safari’s default search engine | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple-20-billion-in-2022-to-be-safaris-default-search-engine) ---One startup's quest to take on Chrome and reinvent the web browser | [Protocol] (https://web.archive.org/web/20230119090437/https://www.protocol.com/browser-company) ---Scenes from a dying web | [Platformer] (https://www.platformer.news/arc-search-quora-poe-perpexity-journalism-web-future/) ---Perplexity’s grand theft AI | [The Verge] (https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/27/24187405/perplexity-ai-twitter-lie-plagiarism) Transcript: [https://www.theverge.com/e/24011410] (https://www.theverge.com/e/24011410) Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices] (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) ... Read more

23 Sep 2024

1 HR 12 MINS

1:12:20