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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

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Pushkin Industries

Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis takes a searing look at what’s happened to fairness in American life through the lens of people who depend on public trust. After exploring what’s happened to referees and coaches, the third season of Against the Rules tackles what’s happened to our trust in experts and expertise. An expert has probably saved your life more than once. So why is it so hard to judge who the real experts are? And why, once we’ve found them, do we struggle to listen to what experts have to say? In this season, we meet oceanographers and baseball writers, nurses and former gang members — people who don’t have a lot in common but the mixed blessing of their expertise. iHeartMedia is the exclusive podcast partner of Pushkin Industries.

#45

From What's Your Problem: Sam Bankman-Fried Revisited

Michael Lewis is off working on a book about a guy who has been in the news this week: Sam Bankman-Fried, founder of the cryptocurrency exchange FTX. Last week, in a matter of a few days, FTX collapsed and filed for bankruptcy, and Sam resigned. It's unclear if customers or investors will ever get their money back. As it happens, our colleagues at the Pushkin show What's Your Problem? interviewed Sam earlier this year. We're all looking forward to the book about Sam. In the meantime, here is the interview from What's Your Problem?, along with a new analysis of what to make of the interview in light of the latest news. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

18 Nov 2022

26 MINS

26:29

18 Nov 2022

#44

From The January 6 Tapes with celebrated legal analyst Preet Bharara

This excerpt from Pushkin's new audiobook, The January 6 Tapes, features lawyer and legal analyst Preet Bharara's thoughtful breakdown of the January 6 Select Committee Hearings. The only compilation of the actual hearings, this audiobook is filled with the riveting testimonies that will define history. Go buy yourself a copy at [pushkin.fm] (http://pushkin.fm/) , Audible, Apple Books, Spotify or anywhere audiobooks are sold. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

15 Nov 2022

06 MINS

06:56

15 Nov 2022

#43

From Revisionist History: When Will Met Grace

We’re sharing a bonus episode from another Pushkin podcast, Revisionist History. Revisionist History is Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast about things misunderstood and overlooked. This season, Malcolm’s obsessed with experiments – natural experiments, scientific experiments, thought experiments. In this preview, Revisionist History does a deep dive into the 90s sitcom, Will and Grace. Will and Grace was quietly revolutionary in changing our collective beliefs around gay marriage. Malcolm explores the show’s role in the widespread acceptance of gay marriage and looks at how television’s ability to change public opinion has changed with modern-day streaming. You can hear more from Revisionist History at [https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/rh7?sid=atr.] (https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/rh7?sid=atr) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

21 Jul 2022

36 MINS

36:48

21 Jul 2022

#42

Who Rules Porn? From Hot Money

Sharing a preview of Hot Money, a new podcast from our friends at the Financial Times and Pushkin. When Financial Times reporter Patricia Nilsson started digging into the porn industry, she made a shocking discovery: Nobody knew who controlled the biggest porn company in the world. Now, Nilsson and her editor, Alex Barker, have figured out who the guy was, and much more. Their reporting reveals a shadowy power structure that includes billionaires, tech geniuses and the most powerful finance companies in the world. Follow the story and hear more Hot Money episodes at [https://link.chtbl.com/atrhotmoney] (https://link.chtbl.com/atrhotmoney) . See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

28 Jun 2022

32 MINS

32:59

28 Jun 2022

#41

Relax and Win from Legacy of Speed

Sharing a new Pushkin show, Legacy of Speed. When two Black sprinters raised their fists in protest at the 1968 Olympic Games, it shook the world. More than 50 years later, the ripple effects of their activism are still felt. Host Malcolm Gladwel tells the stories of the runners who took a stand, and the coaches and mentors who helped make them fast enough — and brave enough — to change the world.In this episode, we hear how coach Bud Winter took what he learned from working with fighter pilots in World War II and created a system for training sprinters at San Jose State. His “Relax and Win” methods used breathing, visualization and other unconventional coaching techniques to create a powerhouse track program. Another thing that made him unique at the time? His focus on recruiting Black athletes to a mostly white school. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

14 Jun 2022

32 MINS

32:55

14 Jun 2022

#40

From Freakonomics, M.D. with Bapu Jena: How Do We Know if Alcohol Is Bad for Us?

Today, we’re giving you a sneak peek of an episode from Freakonomics, M.D., a show from the Freakonomics Radio Network. On Freakonomics, M.D., Harvard physician and economist Dr. Bapu Jena digs into fascinating topics and ideas at the intersection of economics and healthcare. In this preview, Bapu discusses a research method that’s helping to solve some of science’s most challenging questions. You can hear more episodes of Freakonomics, M.D. wherever you get your podcasts. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

07 Jun 2022

31 MINS

31:50

07 Jun 2022

#39

Episode 7: The Person Who Knows

The United States had a pandemic plan. But when a pandemic came, we hesitated to follow it. The country was hobbled by argument and doubt. Much of that doubt came from experts who proposed that Covid might not be as lethal as scientists feared. Michael Lewis returns to the subject of his latest book, The Premonition, to understand why it's so hard to trust the truest signs of expertise: a willingness to follow the evidence. If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure to [sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

24 May 2022

45 MINS

45:21

24 May 2022

#38

Episode 6: The Overconfidence Game

In which several people, including Rebecca Solnit, Katty Kay, and Maria Konnikova, help Michael understand the not-so-secret power of men to offer themselves up as experts, when they clearly are not. If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure [to ] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) [sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

17 May 2022

33 MINS

33:32

17 May 2022

#37

Programming Note

We’re hard at work now on episode 6. Check back here for it next Tuesday. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

10 May 2022

00 MINS

00:22

10 May 2022

#36

Episode 5: The Sanchez Problem

There’s one kind of expert whose role is enshrined in law: that of the expert witness, who’s called on to bolster one side of a case. But courtrooms are not great places for nuance. Overconfident expert testimony has been linked to countless wrongful convictions, especially in gang-related cases. Michael speaks with a new kind of expert witness: former gang members who struggle to counteract the testimony of police.If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure [to sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

03 May 2022

40 MINS

40:02

03 May 2022

#35

REBROADCAST: The Hand of Leonardo

Season Three of Against the Rules continues in this feed next Tuesday. In the meantime, Michael Lewis has an update on one of the most popular episodes from his first season, about a painting that may or may not have been done by Leonardo. If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure to [sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

26 Apr 2022

43 MINS

43:37

26 Apr 2022

#34

Episode 4: Respect the Polygon

Experts know more now than ever before. And we’re more critical of them than ever before, too. But one kind of expert really gets us riled up: the type who deals in probabilities. We hear from meteorologists, political forecasters, and even nurses about why calculating the odds is so hard, and why we all suffer the deadly consequences as a result. If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure [to sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

19 Apr 2022

33 MINS

33:00

19 Apr 2022

#33

Episode 3: Field of Ignorance

The right kind of expert, at the right time, can change everything. While working as a security guard at a pork-and-beans cannery in Kansas, Bill James started writing about baseball. But writing about it through the poetry of statistical analysis. It took a long time, but James's way of looking at the game changed more than just baseball. If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure to [sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

12 Apr 2022

34 MINS

34:27

12 Apr 2022

#32

Episode 1: Six Levels Down

Athenahealth was just another healthcare provider facing the biggest problem US doctors face: not treating patients, but getting insurance companies to pay their bills. But then the company figured out how to fix the problem, by recognizing an overlooked expert toiling in the hospital basement. If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure be sure [to sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

05 Apr 2022

42 MINS

42:17

05 Apr 2022

#31

Episode 2: The Art of the Untold Story

Why can’t we see the experts right in front of us, even when they're saving our lives? Maybe it's because the specialized knowledge of many experts defies good storytelling. We hear from a nonprofit trying to elevate the esoteric work of government experts, and we hear from one of their nominees. His work has changed the survival prospects for many lost at sea, but even those survivors have never heard his name. If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure [to sign up for our email list] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) at Pushkin.fm. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

05 Apr 2022

38 MINS

38:47

05 Apr 2022

#30

Against the Rules Season 3: The Ballad of Expertise

In “Against the Rules,” journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis takes a searing look at what’s happened to fairness—in financial markets, newsrooms, basketball games, courts of law, and much more. In Season 3, Michael tackles America’s expert problem. Why is it so hard to figure out who the real experts are? And why, once we’ve found them, are they so rarely the people calling the shots? If you’d like to keep up with the most recent news from this and other Pushkin podcasts be sure to [sign up for our email li] (https://pushkin.us20.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=ec28005461416f0b42178894f&id=1694c40f69) st at Pushkin.fm. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

22 Mar 2022

02 MINS

02:55

22 Mar 2022

#29

The Future of Drones from What’s Your Problem

As we're getting ready for the new season of Against the Rules on April 5, we're sharing an episode from Pushkin's newest show, What's Your Problem? Former Planet Money host Jacob Goldstein talks to entrepreneurs about the future they’re trying to build—and the problems they have to solve to get there. It’s a show about trying to figure out how to do things no one on the planet knows how to do—from creating a drone delivery business, to building a car that can truly drive itself. In the preview you’re about to hear, Jacob talks with the founder of a drone company called Zipline. The company makes hundreds of drone deliveries a day in Rwanda and Ghana. Now they're trying to solve a surprisingly hard problem: How do they make drone delivery work in the United States? You can hear more episodes of What’s Your Problem at [https://link.chtbl.com/atrwhatsyourproblem] (https://link.chtbl.com/atrwhatsyourproblem) Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

17 Mar 2022

22 MINS

22:12

17 Mar 2022

#28

Other People’s Money: George Saunders on the Value of Failure

After the surprise success of Liar’s Poker, publishers urged Michael Lewis to try his hand at fiction. It was a bad idea. But even award-winning fiction authors have struggled with failure. Michael speaks with Booker Prize-winning author George Saunders about the urge to imitate other writers, and what we all can learn from bad first drafts. We also hear why Saunders was identified early as a gifted student, while Michael Lewis was – emphatically – not. You can order the new Liar’s Poker audiobook at Pushkin.fm/LiarsPoker. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

08 Mar 2022

28 MINS

28:25

08 Mar 2022

#27

Other People’s Money: Ira Glass on Finding Your Voice

Michael Lewis did not rest long on his laurels after publishing Liar’s Poker. In the 1990s, he hit the presidential campaign trail, writing a series of magazine pieces. Some of his dispatches got adapted for audio by a then-new public radio show called “This American Life.” Michael speaks with the show’s creator, Ira Glass, about how they both found their voices as storytellers. Trigger warning: this episode contains vintage NPR sounds. You can order the new Liar’s Poker audiobook at Pushkin.fm/LiarsPoker. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

01 Mar 2022

26 MINS

26:46

01 Mar 2022

#26

Other People’s Money: Anne Clarke Wolff on the Wages of Sexism

Liar’s Poker is set on a Wall Street where women were the last hired and first fired — and that was probably the least of their worries. Is Wall Street today any better for women? Michael speaks with Anne Clarke Wolff, who was in the training class at Salomon Brothers a few years after him. She is starting an investment bank that will be majority owned and managed by women and minorities. The firm’s nickname? “Salomon Sisters.” You can order the new Liar’s Poker audiobook at Pushkin.fm/LiarsPoker. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

22 Feb 2022

28 MINS

28:21

22 Feb 2022

#25

Other People’s Money: Dash Riprock and the Human Piranha Revealed

Liar’s Poker describes many of the mentors Michael Lewis had at the investment bank Salomon Brothers. He chose to keep some of their identities secret, out of a well-founded fear that the book might cost them their cushy Wall Street jobs. Now for the first time, we get to hear their side of the story and learn their names. You can order the new Liar’s Poker audiobook at Pushkin.fm/LiarsPoker. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

15 Feb 2022

29 MINS

29:18

15 Feb 2022

#24

Other People’s Money: Jacob Goldstein and the Bonds of Wall Street

For the first time in more than 30 years, Michael Lewis has re-read Liar’s Poker. That experience brought up a lot of questions — especially, why is a book set in the pre-Internet Wall Street of the 1980s still relevant today? So Michael turned to Jacob Goldstein, finance reporter and host of the Pushkin show "What’s Your Problem?". They discuss how Liar’s Poker foreshadowed the ups and downs of the world we live in now. You can listen to Jacob Goldstein’s new show “What’s Your Problem?” here: [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whats-your-problem/id1602541473] (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whats-your-problem/id1602541473) And you can order the new Liar’s Poker audiobook here: [https://www.pushkin.fm/audiobook/liars-poker] (https://www.pushkin.fm/audiobook/liars-poker) Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

08 Feb 2022

42 MINS

42:14

08 Feb 2022

#23

Introducing Other People's Money: A Liar's Poker Companion

Michael Lewis published his first book, Liar's Poker, in 1989. It’s about his time as a bond salesman on Wall Street — and it was a runaway best seller. Pushkin Industries is re-releasing it for the first time as an unabridged audiobook, read by the author. And to celebrate, Lewis has made a special mini-series about the book. Over the course of five weeks, he'll revisit people he worked with, explore how he found his voice as a writer, and ask why Wall Street firms still assign the book to their interns today. You can order Liar’s Poker audiobook at Pushkin.fm/LiarsPoker. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

26 Jan 2022

03 MINS

03:14

26 Jan 2022

#22

Live Interview 5/19/21: Michael Lewis and Geraldine Brooks

Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Geraldine Brooks interviews Michael Lewis about his new book “The Premonition: A Pandemic Story.” They also discuss how Michael started his writing career and why growing up in New Orleans made him a better storyteller. This conversation was recorded as part of the Live Talks Los Angeles series and posted May 19, 2021. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

16 Jun 2021

47 MINS

47:21

16 Jun 2021

#21

The Premonition

In this special bonus episode of Against the Rules, Michael Lewis reads a chapter from his new book about the pandemic, [The Premonition] (https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393881554) —available now wherever books are sold. This episode includes the voice of Charity Dean, former Assistant Director of the California Department of Public Health and one of the medical visionaries featured in the book. And stay around for an exclusive author interview. Learn more about your ad-choices at [https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com] (https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com) See [omnystudio.com/listener] (https://omnystudio.com/listener) for privacy information. ... Read more

04 May 2021

34 MINS

34:02

04 May 2021

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#45

From What's Your Problem: Sam Bankman-Fried Revisited

#44

From The January 6 Tapes with celebrated legal analyst Preet Bharara

#43

From Revisionist History: When Will Met Grace

#42

Who Rules Porn? From Hot Money

#41

Relax and Win from Legacy of Speed

#40

From Freakonomics, M.D. with Bapu Jena: How Do We Know if Alcohol Is Bad for Us?

#39

Episode 7: The Person Who Knows

#38

Episode 6: The Overconfidence Game

#37

Programming Note

#36

Episode 5: The Sanchez Problem

#35

REBROADCAST: The Hand of Leonardo

#34

Episode 4: Respect the Polygon

#33

Episode 3: Field of Ignorance

#32

Episode 1: Six Levels Down

#31

Episode 2: The Art of the Untold Story

#30

Against the Rules Season 3: The Ballad of Expertise

#29

The Future of Drones from What’s Your Problem

#28

Other People’s Money: George Saunders on the Value of Failure

#27

Other People’s Money: Ira Glass on Finding Your Voice

#26

Other People’s Money: Anne Clarke Wolff on the Wages of Sexism

#25

Other People’s Money: Dash Riprock and the Human Piranha Revealed

#24

Other People’s Money: Jacob Goldstein and the Bonds of Wall Street

#23

Introducing Other People's Money: A Liar's Poker Companion

#22

Live Interview 5/19/21: Michael Lewis and Geraldine Brooks

#21

The Premonition