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Hear Me Out is Slate's destination for tough, topical discussions with integrity, and without cliches. Join host Celeste Headlee and a guest each week for a smart, fair debate on issues that matter.

Hear Me Out is Slate's destination for tough, topical discussions with integrity, and without cliches. Join host Celeste Headlee and a guest each week for a smart, fair debate on issues that matter.

 

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#79

Podcasting Is Dead

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: a fond farewell. This is the last episode of Hear Me Out. And it comes at a volatile, strange time in the world of podcasting. Networks’ priorities have shifted, the money has shifted, and “success” means different things to different people.  Nick Hilton of [Podot] (https://www.podotpods.com/team) and [Future Proof] (https://futureproofnews.substack.com/) joins us for a discussion about the future of podcasting… whether we’re in it or not. The Hear Me Out team is grateful, endlessly, to every single listener who’s sent us a note. We’re not sure how long the address will work, but if the show mattered to you, we’d love to read your emails: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by [Maura Currie] (https://twitter.com/maurafcurrie) , who owes many more things than this podcast to [Celeste Headlee] (https://twitter.com/celesteheadlee) . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

10 Sep 2024

46 MINS

46:12

10 Sep 2024

#78

Presidential Pardons Need Reform

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: pardon interruption. What’s the purpose of the presidential pardon? Well, depends on who you ask — hypothetically, it’s meant for course-correction and honoring restorative justice. But presidents on both ends of the spectrum have used it for purposes that are distinctly not that. So do we need the pardon or do we need to get rid of it… and either way, what’s next? Kim Wehle joins us once again to talk about her new book, [Pardon Power] (https://www.amazon.com/How-Pardon-Power-Works_and-Why/dp/1954907508) . Hear Me Out ends next week. So, before then, please feel free to email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

03 Sep 2024

39 MINS

39:03

03 Sep 2024

#77

There’s No Lesser-Evil Candidate

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: [PSL] (https://votesocialist2024.com/about-the-psl) (not the drink). [Claudia de la Cruz] (https://www.tiktok.com/@votesocialist2024?lang=en) cannot, mathematically, win the presidency. But she’s running anyway… because the two-party system doesn’t lend itself to real representation or the public interest. Claudia joins us to make the case for voting socialist, because the parties with all the power aren’t as different as they want you to think. We’ll also share an important update about the future of Hear Me Out at the end of the episode. After that, please feel free to email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

27 Aug 2024

54 MINS

54:12

27 Aug 2024

#76

Schools Do Too Much (Often Badly)

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: sharpen up. Public schooling in this country has had a lot of champions — including some that you might not expect. But did we ever actually agree on what we wanted schools to do for society? Elizabeth Newcamp of Slate’s [Care & Feeding] (https://slate.com/podcasts/mom-and-dad-are-fighting) joins us to argue for a reappraisal of the whole system… and what it means to educate. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

20 Aug 2024

45 MINS

45:43

20 Aug 2024

#75

Fact-Checks Make Audiences Suspicious

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: pants on fire. The fact-check is a critical tool in the journalist’s toolbox – and now more than ever, it’s a key part of the job. The problem is that it’s already hard to make the case that definitive “true and false” designations exist anymore… and, it turns out, audiences might be made more suspicious of journalists who fact check, not less. Randy Stein of Cal Poly Pomona joins Hear Me Out to discuss his [new research about debunkings and public trust] (https://theconversation.com/readers-trust-journalists-less-when-they-debunk-rather-than-confirm-claims-233838) .  If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

13 Aug 2024

36 MINS

36:16

13 Aug 2024

#74

The Olympics Are a Tool of Oppression

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: opening ceremonies (and a can of worms). We come to you midway through the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris. But amid the patriotism, athletic prowess, and sheer spectacle of these games — the most watched and streamed to date, by some measures — there’s also concerns about geopolitical power, human rights abuses, and the facilitation of facism.   [MacIntosh Ross] (https://x.com/punchingprof?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) of Windsor University joins us to talk about the uglier facets of the Olympic Games. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

06 Aug 2024

42 MINS

42:37

06 Aug 2024

#73

Pop Stars Run Politics Now

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: who runs the world? Kamala Harris is having a brat summer, which means that you’re likely seeing lots of questions about what brat summer is and why anyone cares. But the meme being co-opted by the Harris campaign is just a small piece of the bigger puzzle. Writer and podcast host [H. Alan Scott] (https://x.com/HAlanScott) joins Hear Me Out to argue that pop stars have a huge amount of political influence — that, coupled with “cool factor,” could swing the election.   If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

30 Jul 2024

43 MINS

43:38

30 Jul 2024

#72

You Don’t Need A BFF

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: make the friendship bracelets. Or don’t.  Like all relationships, friendships can grow, change… and, yes, end. Sometimes for good reason. But we romanticize the BFF as the goal – [to find your person] (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2018/12/04/youre-my-person-how-greys-anatomy-created-stand-in-soul-mate/) – and that might not be realistic.  Author and podcast host [Kristen Meinzer] (https://www.kristenmeinzer.com/) joins us to make the case for not needing a best friend forever. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

23 Jul 2024

41 MINS

41:05

23 Jul 2024

#71

AI’s Threat to Democracy Flopped

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: tried and Turing tested. Coming into the 2024 election cycle, generative AI was one of the main concerns for democracy watchdogs; its power to create deceptive text, images and sounds at a rapid, unfettered pace seems ripe to spread misinformation. But of all the controversies and current events that have shaped the election thus far… AI, somehow, might not be one of them.  Writer and social strategist [Rachel Greenspan] (https://rachelgreenspan.substack.com/) joins us to share what she’s hearing about the AI revolution that wasn’t. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

16 Jul 2024

36 MINS

36:10

16 Jul 2024

#70

Jeff Bezos Could Save The Post (Again)

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: Bezos vs. the British invasion. The Washington Post, like most legacy media outlets, can’t seem to catch a break. Right now, the newsroom is reeling under leadership changeups — and an editor who’s part of what appears to be a [British invasion into American media leadership] (https://t.co/QVIBkKFhVD) .  It’s hard to imagine Jeff Bezos, a soon-to-be trillionaire, as anyone’s folk hero. When he bought the Post in 2013, many assumed his involvement would put the paper’s editorial integrity at risk. But could his active presence actually right the ship? Journalist and writer Brian Stelter joins us, apropos of [his recent reporting for The Atlantic] (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/washington-post-jeff-bezos-william-lewis/678799/) . If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

09 Jul 2024

40 MINS

40:47

09 Jul 2024

#69

Federal Job Training Doesn’t Work

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: get back to work. When your job becomes obsolete, is it the government’s job to teach you to do something else?  That’s the theory behind federal workforce training programs – which have existed, in various forms, for a long time. The problem is that studies are starting to show that these programs don’t provide much of an edge to workers… and that the jobs they place for [might not be good jobs] (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/federal-job-training-law/678759/) . Kevin Carey of New America joins us to argue for a retooling of federal work training. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

02 Jul 2024

46 MINS

46:43

02 Jul 2024

#68

Tradwives Show Us Feminism’s Failures

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: aprons off. Has there ever been a better time to be a woman in America? Probably not… but that’s a low bar. Modern feminism is having trouble making a case for itself, in the face of a challenging economy and backslides in reproductive rights. So when women on social media present themselves as traditional wives and homemakers, achieving the self-actualization of heteronormativity, have they given up? Or are they showing us what feminist thought might be missing? [Dr. C. Nicole Mason] (https://www.instagram.com/cnicolemason/?hl=en) joins us to share her journey into the minds of tradwives… and her realization that they might have a point. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

25 Jun 2024

43 MINS

43:29

25 Jun 2024

#67

Pride Is For Everyone (Except Cops and Politicians)

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: all aren’t welcome. Pride Month festivities have a complicated legacy. On the one hand, being out, proud and supportive in public has been a game-changing force for the LGBTQ+ community; on the other hand, pride began as a protest, and the movement has been, and is, at odds with the status quo and acceptability politics. So, should uniformed cops be welcome at Pride? Should [politicians like Jill Biden] (https://www.pghcitypaper.com/columns/why-cops-should-stay-far-away-from-pride-26105438) be invited, or encouraged, to make Pride a campaign stop? [Jessie Sage] (https://x.com/sapiotextual?lang=en) , a Pittsburgh-based columnist and sex worker, joins us to argue: no.  If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

18 Jun 2024

39 MINS

39:14

18 Jun 2024

#66

Biden Is Courting Voters Who Don’t Exist

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: base instincts. Democratic strategists are reportedly [freaking out about Joe Biden] (https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/28/democrats-freakout-over-biden-00160047) . Despite his opponent’s felony convictions, Biden remains unpopular and isn’t polling well in swing states. Young voters are mad about his handling of the war in Gaza; many Americans remain convinced that the economy is bad and the president is to blame for it. So if strategists’ worst fears come to pass… how much of this wound is self-inflicted? Hayes Brown of MSNBC joins Hear Me Out to argue that Biden is falling into a classic triangulation trap… and that it probably won’t be worth it. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

11 Jun 2024

48 MINS

48:27

11 Jun 2024

#65

Election Betting Should Be Legal

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: placing bets. Betting on the results of elections is illegal in the United States – though that hasn’t stopped sportsbooks overseas from cashing in. And that doesn’t mean that Americans haven’t placed bets on election results in the U.S., either; that’s a tradition that dates back centuries. There’s a push now to make elections betting legal on American soil — and for American companies to run online casinos. Futures markets are complicated, and it might feel gross, or even dangerous, to gamble on democracy… but of all the types of gambling we do allow, what if this one is actually the biggest good to society? [Eric Zitzewitz] (https://faculty-directory.dartmouth.edu/eric-w-zitzewitz) of Dartmouth joins us to bet on the value of election betting. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

04 Jun 2024

37 MINS

37:12

04 Jun 2024

#64

Term Limits Could Ruin Congress

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: self-limiting. Congress is historically unpopular; it’s one of the few things that people on both sides of the aisle can agree on. But what could be done to actually fix our legislature? Term limits are often posed as a good potential start. But there are those who argue that that’s not the best way to fix our legislature — and the pool of people who feel that way isn’t exclusively career politicians, either. [Charlie Hunt] (https://www.boisestate.edu/sps-politicalscience/charles-hunt-phd/) , a professor at Boise State University, joins us to argue against term limits. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

28 May 2024

39 MINS

39:35

28 May 2024

#63

Colonialism Never Ended

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: [don’t scare me like that, colonizer.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Rw4z5mkKw) Understanding the legacy of colonialism is a project relatively few Americans have undertaken — and most have done so only relatively recently, at that. But understanding the forces that led to the foundation of this country, and the creation of modern racism as we know it, is an important project. And it’s one that is also increasingly hard to bring into schools — especially in places like Florida. Barry Mauer of UCF joins us once again to argue for teaching the ongoing project of colonialism… in the name of stopping it. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

21 May 2024

39 MINS

39:17

21 May 2024

#62

Trump Isn’t a Bug. He's a Feature.

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: live from Seattle. Hear Me Out had its first-ever live show on May 4, 2024 — and it was such a great conversation that we wanted to make sure our podcast listeners heard it, too.  The [Cascade PBS Ideas Festival] (https://crosscut.com/festival) was full of smart, unconventional thinkers on the biggest issues facing this country… so what better place to have a conversation about Donald Trump, and the future of this country?  It’s tempting to think of the MAGA ideology as an unprecedented threat to democracy. But is it? Or are the authoritarian, anti-democratic ideas percolating into our mainstream politics a feature, rather than a bug? Historian and author [Heather Cox Richardson] (https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/) joined us in Seattle. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

14 May 2024

44 MINS

44:41

14 May 2024

#61

Punishing A Shooter’s Parents Misses The Point

On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: prosecuting parents. Ethan Crumbley’s parents didn’t pull the trigger that killed 4 students in 2021 — but they’ve been sentenced to prison time for it all the same.  School shootings are devastatingly common in this country, but punishing the parents of the killer is a new tactic of handling the aftermath. Even if you think the Crumbleys were bad parents, though, the questions should be posed: why are we punishing them under the law? And is this the best way to address, or even prevent, mass tragedies? Professor, writer, and legal contributor for ABC News [Kim Wehle] (https://kimberlywehle.com/) joins us to urge for a look at the bigger picture. If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [hearmeout@slate.com] (mailto:hearmeout@slate.com) Podcast production by Maura Currie. Want more Hear Me Out? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit [slate.com/hearmeoutplus] (http://slate.com/awordplus) to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [megaphone.fm/adchoices] (https://megaphone.fm/adchoices) ... Read more

07 May 2024

39 MINS

39:12

07 May 2024