Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being


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In this episode of The Sounds of SAND podcast, host Michael Reiley speaks with Father Adam Bucko about his journey and the integration of Christian contemplative spirituality with social justice activism. Father Adam shares his formative experiences growing up in Poland during the resistance against totalitarian government, his work with marginalized youth in the United States and India, and his philosophy of engaged contemplation. He discusses the importance of heartbreak as a spiritual guide, the responsibility of acknowledging historical injustices perpetrated by the Christian church, and the practice of staying grounded through monastic rhythms of life. The episode highlights the need for a balanced approach to spirituality that embraces both love and grief, and explores reconciliation with the world's suffering through active, mindful presence.
Topics
<ul>
<li>00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview</li>
<li>01:37 Father Adam Bucko's Early Life and Inspirations</li>
<li>04:50 Journey to the United States and Spiritual Exploration</li>
<li>08:13 Contemplative Practices and Activism</li>
<li>20:58 Challenges and Reflections on Modern Christianity</li>
<li>29:48 Navigating Institutional Harm and New Monasticism</li>
<li>32:16 Engaged Spirituality and Personal Practices</li>
<li>46:36 Final Thoughts and Ways to Connect</li>
</ul>
Resources:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://fatheradambucko.com/">FatherAdamBucko.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.spiritualimagination.org/">The Center for Spiritual Imagination</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://scienceandnonduality.com/article/let-your-heartbreak-be-your-guide/">"Let Heartbreak Be Your Guide"</a></li>
</ul>
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Engaged Contemplation: Father Adam Bucko

A Decolonial Invitation to Remember, Relearn, and Resist
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From a live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025) a live conversation with <a href="https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com/">Dr. Jennifer Mullan</a> & <a href="https://healhistoricaltrauma.com/">Iya Affo</a>.
Their discussion emphasizes the importance of ancestral wisdom, collective healing, and the decolonization of therapeutic practices. Dr. Mullan shares her personal journey of reconciling traditional healing methods with modern therapy and explores the impact of historical and intergenerational trauma. The conversation also highlights the significance of land, lineage, and community in the healing process, and addresses the ways in which therapy can be transformed to be more inclusive and effective for diverse populations.
Dr. Mullan shares from her journey of calling therapists into a politicized practice—one rooted in responsibility, reverence, and collective liberation. The conversation challenges clinicians to confront their training, interrogate their privilege, and participate in the sacred labor of relearning.
Topics
<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">00:00 Welcome and Introductions</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">00:30 Honoring Ancestral Wisdom</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">01:54 Introducing Iya Affo</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">04:23 Meet Dr. Jennifer Mullan</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">05:22 The Non-Neutrality of Therapy</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">10:39 Decolonizing Therapy: A Deep Dive</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">14:33 Therapy and Boundaries</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">27:42 The Historical Impact on Therapy</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">31:24 Shining a Light on Hidden History</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">31:55 Finding Safe Spaces for Vulnerability</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">32:21 Therapeutic Contexts and Trauma</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">33:45 Bridging and Reciprocity in Healing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">37:04 Colonial Soul Wound and Historical Trauma</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">39:39 Reclaiming Ancestral Pathways</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">42:25 Decolonizing Therapy for All</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">45:43 Healing Across Layered Dimensions</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">54:50 Embracing Sacred Rage and Grief</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">58:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts</li>
</ul>
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Therapy Is Not Neutral: Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo

This episode, recorded live at The Eternal Song live gathering (June 2025), brings together a distinguished panel featuring Patricia June Vickers, Judy Atkinson, Dr. Diana Kopua, and Donald “Del” Lavedure, moderated by Dr. Gabor Maté. The discussion explores the integration of ancestral wisdom and modern therapeutic methods to address and heal trauma within Indigenous communities. The group share their personal and professional experiences, emphasizing the connection between land, ancestry, and healing. The conversation highlights the importance of storytelling, cultural practices, and the role of spirituality in fostering collective and individual healing, while addressing how individuals outside Indigenous cultures can support this crucial work.
Topics:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">00:00 Introduction of the Guests</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">02:14 Acknowledging Indigenous Lands and Realities</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">03:24 Exploring the Concept of Health and Ancestry</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">05:06 Understanding Ancestral Healing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">08:08 Judy Atkinson on Ancestry and Healing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">19:15 Patricia Vickers on Ancestry and Protection</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">21:23 Diana on Indigenous Knowledge and Connection</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">26:51 Defining Trauma and Its Impacts</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">32:23 Del Lavedure on Community-Based Healing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">38:09 Judy Atkinson on the Power of Story in Healing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">42:47 A Heartfelt Introduction</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">43:21 Exploring Trauma and Healing Modalities</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">44:32 Indigenous Perspectives on Trauma</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">48:17 Personal Stories of Healing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">49:17 Concepts of Healing and Wholeness</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">53:23 Addressing Historical and Ongoing Trauma</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">57:23 The Role of Collective Memory in Healing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">01:10:54 Connecting to Ancestral Practices</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">01:18:53 Final Reflections and Personal Insights</li>
</ul>
Resources:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://drgabormate.com/">Dr Gabor Maté</a></li>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://thewisdomoftrauma.com">The Wisdom of Trauma</a> (a SAND film)</li>
</ul>
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<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">Professor Judy Atkinson (<a href="https://www.wealli.com.au/our-staff/judy-atkinson/">We Al-li</a>)</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.patriciajunevickers.com/">Patricia June Vickers, PhD</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">Diana Kopua (<a href="https://www.mahiaatua.com/about-us/">Mahi a Atua</a>)</li>
</ul>
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Recorded live at <a href="https://theeternalsong.org">The Eternal Song</a> Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices.

Trauma Healing: Gabor Maté, Judy Atkinson, Patricia June Vickers, Diana Kopua, Del Laverdure

<a href="https://carajudeaalhadeff.com/">Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff</a> discusses her work and the profound ideas in her book &nbsp;Zazu Dreams: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era. She explores themes of dream consciousness, cultural and ecological extinction, radical symbiosis, and the concept of apocalyptic parenting as a strategy for social justice and ecological ethics, an antidote to petroleum parenting. The discussion digs into the interdisciplinary ties found in her stories, her collaborative projects, and the communal effort in creating sustainable futures. Dr. Alhadeff also shares her real-life experiences of living for almost a decade in a reclaimed school bus, 'The Love Bus', exemplifying the principles of radical mothering, reuse, collective creativity, and joy amidst systemic challenges.
Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff is a professor and author of dozens of books and articles on art, philosophy, sexuality, climate justice, life-passion activism, and "petroleum parenting," including the critically-acclaimed Zazu Dreams: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era, and Viscous Expectations: Justice, Vulnerability, The Ob-scene. Alhadeff’s forthcoming book, Unlearning What We Think We Know (Vernon Press), will be performed during the World Affairs Conference. Her photographs/ performance videos are in private and public collection,s including San Francisco MoMA, MoMA Salzburg, Austria, the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction, and include collaborations with international choreographers, composers, poets, sculptors, architects, and scientists. She has been interviewed by The New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle, Pacifica Radio, NPR, and the New Art Examiner. Alongside Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Vandana Shiva, Alhadeff received the Random Kindness Community Resilience Leadership Award, 2020. In 2022, Alhadeff was nominated for a MacArthur Fellowship. Her theoretical and visual work is the subject of documentaries for international public television/ radio. A former professor of Critical Pedagogy & Performance at UC Santa Cruz and Founder of Radical Art in Action, Alhadeff teaches, performs, and parents a creative-zero-waste life. She and her family live and perform in their eco-art installation, a repurposed school bus. <a href="http://www.carajudeaalhadeff.com">www.carajudeaalhadeff.com</a>
Topics
<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">00:00 Introduction to Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">01:35 Exploring 'Zazu Dreams'</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">04:01 Dreams and Cultural Extinction</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">06:08 Fractal Democracy and Radical Art</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">08:39 Sensory Consciousness and Neuroaesthetics</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">14:50 Interconnected Oppressions and Emancipation</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">28:05 Ancestral Lineage and Multiculturalism</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">34:00 Exploring Automatic Behaviors and Consciousness</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">34:50 Interbeing and Consumer Decisions</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">36:35 The Impact of Privilege and Capitalist Norms</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">38:06 Radical Symbiosis and Cultural Conditioning</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">39:21 Eco-Spirituality and Political Awareness</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">41:18 Apocalyptic Parenting and Deep Noticing</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">48:01 The Love Bus: A Journey of Reuse and Respect</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">54:40 Adapting to Change and Collective Creativity</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">57:55 Conclusion: Embracing Art and Language</li>
</ul>
Resources:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="http://www.carajudeaalhadeff.com">Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff’s Website</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://carajudeaalhadeff.com/zazu-dreams/">ZAZU DREAMS: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era by Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBUw8iz8J5U&t=1s">Zazu Dreams book-to-film animation adaptation</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://scienceandnonduality.com/audio/119-fractal-flourishing/">Fractal Flourishing: Jeremy Lent (Sounds of SAND Podcast)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://scienceandnonduality.com/audio/89-arab-jewish-mysticism/">Arab Jewish Mysticism: Hadar Cohen (Sounds of SAND Podcast)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://scienceandnonduality.com/audio/ep-11-quantum-listening/">Quantum Listening: IONE (Sounds of SAND Podcast)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.deeplistening.rpi.edu/deep-listening/">Deep Listening: Pauline Oliveros</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.5rhythms.com">5Rhythms</a> Dance</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://archive.org/details/ruralstudiosamue0000dean">Rural Studio</a>: Samuel Mockbee and an architecture of decency</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://scienceandnonduality.com/audio/108-thrutopian-dreams/">Thrutopian Dreams: Manda Scott (Sounds of SAND Podcast)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.ecotopianlexicon.com/">An Ecotopian Lexicon</a> edited by Schneider-Mayerson and Bellamy</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://carajudeaalhadeff.com/petroleum-parenting/">Challenging Petroleum Parenting</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Qoho0Xk8358c3qbtz8YLWpzMxoAXWAx/view">Decolonizing Motherhood</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.plutobooks.com/product/empire-of-normality/">Empire of Normality: Neurodiversity and Capitalism</a> by Robert Chapman</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://carajudeaalhadeff.com/viscous-expectations/">Viscous Expectations: Justice, Vulnerability, The Ob-scene</a> by <a href="mailto:carajudea@gmail.com">cara judea Alhadeff</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z9-yigzEFk">The Love Bus: Beauty & Waste In the Face of Climate Crisis</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://catherineekeller.com/ck/research-and-publications/">Facing Apocalyspe by Catherine Keller</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://carajudeaalhadeffphd.substack.com/p/lilith-refuses-the-anthropocene-what">Benjamin Lay: The first Revolutionary Quaker Abolitionist&nbsp;</a></li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="https://carajudeaalhadeffphd.substack.com/">Cara Judea Alhadeff, PhD, Promiscuous Crossings</a> (Substack)</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="mailto:carajudea@gmail.com">Email Cara</a></li>
</ul>
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Radical Symbiosis: Cara Judea Alhadeff

What does it mean to stay tender in times of unraveling?
In this live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025), SAND co-founders, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo spend the hour with activist and author <a href="https://www.kazuhaga.com/">Kazu Haga</a>. This conversation invites us into a collective inquiry about healing, justice, and the radical courage of vulnerability. Drawing from his work on restorative justice and Kingian nonviolence, Haga explores how compassion can live alongside grief, anger, and collapse—not as escape or appeasement, but as a disciplined, relational practice of staying with the pain of the world.
Topics:
00:00 Introduction and Welcoming Remarks
00:44 Introducing Kazu and His Work
04:08 Understanding Fierce Vulnerability
06:43 The Great Turning and Collective Healing
10:50 Non-Violence and Social Movements
17:13 Spiritual Practice and Activism
24:22 Anger, Rage, and Non-Violence
26:40 Personal Stories and Reflections
28:57 Sowing Seeds of Change
29:56 The Power of Vulnerability
31:33 Healing Through Non-Violence
38:55 The Concept of Negative Peace
47:48 Living in Community
49:45 Final Thoughts and Gratitude
Resources:
<a href="https://www.kazuhaga.com/">Kazu Haga's Website</a>
<a href="https://www.parallax.org/product/fierce-vulnerability/">Fierce Vulnerability</a>
<a href="https://canticlefarmoakland.org/">Canticle Farm</a>
<a href="https://theeternalsong.org">The Eternal Song</a> (film series by SAND)&nbsp;
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Trauma in a Time of Collapse: Kazu Haga

Recorded live at <a href="https://theeternalsong.org">The Eternal Song</a> Seven Day Film Premiere Gathering.&nbsp;
In this episode, hosts Maurizio and Zaya engage in deep conversation with Yoruba philosopher and post-humanist thinker <a href="https://www.bayoakomolafe.net/">Bayo Akomolafe</a>. In this episode, Bayo shares a Yoruba creation myth involving the Orishas, highlighting the importance of flow and memory. He reflects on his journey as a psychologist in Nigeria and critiques the political dimensions of healing. The dialogue also touches on the limits of modernity, the significance of wounds in creating new worlds, and the interconnectedness of all living beings. Bayo’s insights invite listeners to reconsider traditional notions of clarity, identity, and safety, promoting a deeper, more fluid understanding of existence as it weaves into narratives of The Eternal Song.
Watch this full conversation and 40+ more <a href="https://theeternalsong.org/">The Eternal Song film series and All-Access Pass</a> with from our 7-day gathering with Elders and knowledge keepers&nbsp;
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:46 Introducing Bayo Akomolafe
02:13 A Yoruba Creation Story
06:50 Reflections on Healing
12:49 Decolonization and Human Ecology
20:32 The Complexity of Solutions
22:25 Chaos and Order: The Eternal Dance
22:41 The Illusion of Solutions
22:50 Climate Chaos and Moralities
23:34 The Exhaustion of Traditional Moralities
24:10 Para Politics: A New Approach
26:30 The Role of the Trickster in History
28:45 The Power of Wounds and Cracks
31:31 The Fluidity of Identity
36:52 The Origins and Evolution of Language
40:15 Christianity and Indigenous Faiths
44:15 Final Reflections and Gratitude
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Tending the Threshold: Bayo Akomolafe

Hosted by SAND’s Lisa Breschi Almond, this poignant discussion entitled 'War's Long Shadow Part Two: The Medicine of Story' was recorded live as a recent SAND Gathering. The show features two heartfelt stories of their first-hand accounts of post-war trauma shared by Linda Thai and Jungwon Kim. The conversation explores personal narratives of war trauma and generational grief, focusing on the Vietnam War and Korean War, respectively. Linda recounts her family’s harrowing escape from Vietnam and their struggle to resettle in Australia, while Jungwon explores her parents’ experiences and the enduring impact of the Korean War. Emphasizing the importance of storytelling, the session highlights the collective healing and emotional sobriety brought through sharing and listening to these deeply moving stories
Topics
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:55 Land and Settler Acknowledgement
02:13 Introducing the Presenters
04:16 Linda's Story: A Journey of Survival
39:31 Jungwon's Story: Generational War Trauma
01:02:30 Reflections and Closing Remarks
Resources
<a href="https://scienceandnonduality.com/event/wars-long-shadow/">War’s Long Shadow, Part 1</a>&nbsp;(the first part of this conversation from early 2025)
<a href="https://www.jungwonkim.earth/">Jung Won Kim’s Website</a>
<a href="https://www.linda-thai.com/">Linda Thai’s Website</a>
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The Medicine Story: Jungwon Kim & Linda Thai

In this episode, SAND co-founders and hosts Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome <a href="https://drthema.com/">Dr. Thema Bryant</a>, a tenured professor of psychology and former President of the American Psychological Association, to discuss holistic healing, ancestral wisdom, and collective liberation. Dr. Bryant emphasizes the importance of recognizing both individual and collective trauma, the power of storytelling, and the need for interdisciplinary approaches to wellness. The conversation explores the emotional and spiritual aspects of healing, the role of joy and grief, and the importance of community in fostering resilience and thriving. Dr. Bryant also provides practical advice on deepening relationships, finding like-minded communities, and maintaining emotional balance in the face of ongoing trauma.
Topics
&nbsp;
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:53 Introducing Dr. Thema Bryant
01:20 Dr. Bryant's Background and Philosophy
03:11 Grounding Practice and Body Sovereignty
08:32 The Importance of Compassion and Presence
11:52 Intergenerational Trauma and Healing
17:15 Decolonizing and Indigenizing Healing Practices
27:00 Balancing Activism and Self-Care
34:15 Grief and Collective Healing
36:44 Cultural Differences in Grieving
37:59 The Interplay of Grief and Joy
38:28 Toxic Positivity and Spiritual Bypassing
41:07 Constructive vs. Destructive Anger
44:53 The Importance of Emotional Expression
47:03 Creating and Deepening Community Connections
51:00 Collective Healing and Liberation
01:03:13 Balancing Self-Care and Collective Care
01:11:14 Final Thoughts and Resources
Resources
<a href="https://drthema.com/">Dr. Thema Bryant</a> Dr. Thema Bryant is the author of the recently released book<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Matters-Heart-Healing-Relationship-Yourself/dp/059371914X/ref=asc_df_059371914X"> Matters of the Heart</a> and the host of<a href="https://drthema.com/podcast/"> The Homecoming Podcast</a>.<a href="https://jaiyajohn.com/">Jaiya John</a>
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Decolonial Healing & Liberation: Dr. Thema Bryant

Recorded live at <a href="https://theeternalsong.org">The Eternal Song</a> Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices.&nbsp;
Donna Kerridge, a Rongoā Māori practitioner from Waikato, Aotearoa New Zealand, shares insights into her journey bridging Māori traditional medicine and the Western healthcare system. Kerridge discusses the challenges and beauty of indigenous healing practices, emphasizing the significance of connection to nature, ancestral knowledge, and the balance between the physical and spiritual realms. She reflects on her experience watching the film Eternal Song and the necessity of truth in storytelling. Through her work and this conversation, Kerridge elucidates the importance of understanding one's place in nature and the universe to achieve true wellbeing. Hosted by Zaya and <a href="mailto:maurizio@scienceandnonduality.com">Maurizio Benazzo</a>.
Topics00:00 Introduction to Donna Kerridge
00:58 Reflecting on the Film's Impact
03:45 Understanding Rongoā Māori
06:10 The Concept of Wellbeing in Rongoā Māori
10:55 Healing Practices and Patterns of Disease
20:19 The Importance of Ancestry and Connection
22:37 Ancient Knowledge and Modern Science
29:47 Challenges of Being a Healer in Modern Times
32:18 Exploring the Pillars of Ru Māori
33:42 Connecting with the Spiritual Realm
36:30 Healing Through Nature
43:28 Respect and Indigenous Knowledge
45:41 Bridging Western and Indigenous Medicine
52:28 The Role of Ancestral Knowledge
56:25 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections
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Rongoā Māori: Donna Kerridge

In this panel from the The Eternal Song 7-Day Global Gathering Schedule, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo speak with Dr. Diana Kopua, a &nbsp;Māori psychiatrist, Mark Kopua, a cultural leader and master carver, and Tina Ngata, an advocate for indigenous and environmental rights. The conversation explores the significance of revitalizing indigenous knowledge, ancestral connections, and reindigenization. They explore the effects of colonialism, the doctrine of Christian discovery, and the urgency of collective wellbeing practices. The conversations weaves reconnection with ancestral stories, the environment, and indigenizing oneself as crucial steps towards collective healing and resilience.
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Topics
00:00 Introduction of Extraordinary Voices
01:50 Personal Introductions and Backgrounds
07:09 Current Issues in New Zealand
12:24 Colonial Impact on Māori Wellbeing
18:42 Traditional Māori Wellbeing and Ancestral Connections
33:29 Healing Through Ancestral Stories
34:56 Impact of Colonization on Indigenous Mindset
37:04 Reconnecting with Ancestral Wisdom
40:55 Understanding Racism and Education
44:26 The Role of Christianity and Wealth
52:51 Indigenizing vs. Decolonizing
53:35 Practical Steps to Re-Indigenize
56:38 Final Thoughts and Reflections
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Reindigenizing Our Ways of Being: Tina Ngata, Diana and Mark Kopua

Ancestral Bone Mapping & Healing: Reweaving the Soul Through Bone, Beauty, and Ancestral Nourishment with Iya AffoThrough rhythms of beauty, grief, and intergenerational wisdom, this presentation and conversation explored healing through the languages of somatic ritual, trauma-informed neurobiology, and ancestral remembering.
<a href="https://healhistoricaltrauma.com/iya-affo">Iya Affo</a> is a Culturalist and Historical Trauma consultant. She earned Western certification as a Trauma Specialist and is a descendant of a long line of traditional healers from Bénin, West Africa. Iya serves as an Executive Board Member for the Arizona ACEs Consortium, is an Adjunct Faculty member at the Arizona Trauma Institute, and is the founder of Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Indigenous Wellness Academy. She has visited more than 30 countries; living in Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Native American, and Yoruba communities, embracing aspects from each culture for personal evolution. She strives to transcend tolerance through cultivating love and respect in hopes of facilitating the decolonization and subsequent healing of indigenous people from all over the world. Iya advocates for the harmonization of Traditional Medicine and Western Medicine for true holistic healing.
ALTÆR is a sacred invitation into ancestral medicine, where the body is honored as shrine, and the bones are read as living scrolls. Culturalist and Historical Trauma Consultant Iya Affo brings her deep-rooted knowledge and ceremonial practice to this space. As a featured presence in The Eternal Song film and founder of the Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Indigenous Wellness Academy, Iya carries experience across many Indigenous communities and advocates for the harmonization of Traditional and Western medicine as a path to collective wholeness.
<a href="https://healhistoricaltrauma.com/alt%C3%A6r-2">ALTÆR: The Bones Remember – Eight week course with Iya Affo</a>
Topics:
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:42 Introducing Iya Affo
01:44 Acknowledging Ancestral Lands and Ancestors
04:25 The Importance of Ancestral Healing
09:38 Understanding Coherence and Healing Practices
18:06 Exploring Bone Mapping
28:11 Personal Story: Ancestral Memory and Birth
32:45 A Difficult Labor and Ancestral Memory
34:33 The Impact of Historical Trauma on Black Women
38:47 Bone Mapping and Spiritual Genetics
43:57 Roles of Men and Women in Ancestral Healing
49:53 Healing Practices and Rituals
57:31 Integrating Indigenous Knowledge with Western Therapy
01:03:20 Closing Reflections and Future Courses
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