<p>ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl has spent nearly a decade chronicling Trump&ndash;and being attacked by him. Trump has called him &ldquo;a third-rate reporter,&rdquo; &ldquo;a real scumbag,&rdquo; and worse. But he also keeps picking up Karl&rsquo;s calls. Karl joins Katie to talk about his new book Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America and shares sharp, insider insight into Trump&rsquo;s fixation on revenge, his loyalty-first Cabinet, and how his second term has reshaped the presidency&hellip; and the country.</p><p>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.</p>

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