When Kit Heyam was first trying to understand their gender identity as an adolescent, they looked to history. But they only found stories that painted a very narrow picture of what it means to be trans. Years later, when Kit started studying history professionally, a different picture emerged. They talk to Anita about the trans histories they found from around the globe and how those stories paint a more diverse and messy picture of the ways people have been pushing the boundaries of gender for millennia.Meet the guest:- <a href="https://kitheyam.com/">Kit Heyam</a> is the author of "<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/dr-kit-heyam-ph-d/before-we-were-trans/9781541603080/?lens=seal-press">Before We Were Trans: A New History of Gender</a>"<a href="https://www.wunc.org/2025-09-30/a-mission-to-tell-trans-history-differently-transcript">Read the transcript</a> | Review the podcast on your preferred platformFollow Embodied on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/embodiedwunc/?hl=en">Instagram </a><a href="https://www.speakpipe.com/msg/s/254474/43/83gu0x074ydhd8wm">Leave a message for Embodied</a>

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