The word “terrorist” wasn’t coined on September 11, 2001, but the defining event of the early 21st century ushered it in as the United States’ go-to term for demonizing outsiders and dissenters alike. The so-called “war on terror” transformed the way the U.S. wields power at home and abroad, enabling mass surveillance and a crackdown on the right to free speech. It became reflexive for the U.S. to disparage immigrants and protesters as supporters of terrorism.President Donald Trump has embraced this model and manipulated it for his own ends, as <a href="https://theintercept.com/2021/08/13/reign-of-terror-spencer-ackerman-september-11/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">author Spencer Ackerman</a> points out. The Trump administration often peddles <a href="https://theintercept.com/2026/02/02/trump-nspm-7-domestic-terrorist-minneapolis-alex-pretti/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">spurious accusations</a> of terrorism against the targets of its immigration raids.“There's nothing about any of their action that's remotely anything at all like terrorism,” Ackerman says. “But that is the fire in which ICE, CBP, and the Department of Homeland Security was forged. You are going to find this in its DNA.”This week on the Intercept Briefing, host Jordan Uhl speaks with Ackerman, a leading expert on the concept of terrorism and its weaponization by the state. Ackerman’s 2021 book, “<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/622555/reign-of-terror-by-spencer-ackerman/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reign of Terror, How the 9/11 Era Destabilized America and Produced Trump</a>,” traces the legal and cultural evolution of the last 25 years, and how the <a href="https://theintercept.com/2021/08/13/reign-of-terror-spencer-ackerman-september-11/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">boomerang has come back home</a>.“Before 9/11, not only was there no ICE, there wasn't really much in the way of a robust internal mechanism for finding and deporting people who were in the country illegally. When it did exist, it was for people who were serious criminals, traffickers, and so on,” says Ackerman. Now, he says, the contemporary terrorism paradigm has transformed immigration enforcement into something “operating like a death squad.”“What we are seeing on the streets of Minneapolis is what ICE has done to the undocumented for a very long time,” he says. “And now we're seeing this happen to white people on the streets of Minneapolis for little more than filming ICE.” With the recent killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretti, “I worry that a tremendous amount of our political system is geared toward either, on the Republican side, rationalizing it, justifying it, or on the Democratic side, pretending as if this is some kind of abuse that can be exceptionalized, rather than something that has to do with this 25-year history of coalescing immigration enforcement in the context of counterterrorism.”As Democrats in Congress <a href="https://theintercept.com/2026/01/26/alex-pretti-democrats-abolish-ice/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">struggle to leverage DHS funding</a> for changes to ICE policy — like a ban on face masks for ICE agents, an idea on which they’ve already softened — Ackerman says the parallels with the early 2000s are clear.“We can't move in reformist directions when the thing talked about being reformed laughs at killing Americans,” advises Ackerman. “Reformist politics under two Democratic administrations got us to where we are now. These are accommodationist politics, and the thing being accommodated wants to kill you.”Listen to the full conversation of The Intercept Briefing on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intercept-briefing/id1195206601" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2js8lwDRiK1TB4rUgiYb24?si=e3ce772344ee4170" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or wherever you listen.&nbsp;If you want to support our work, you can go to <a href="https://join.theintercept.com/donate/Donate_Podcast?source=interceptedshoutout&recurring_period=one-time" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">theintercept.com/join</a>.&nbsp;<hr> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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