David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH) is a legendary programmer, creator of Ruby on Rails, co-owner & CTO of 37signals that created Basecamp, HEY, & ONCE, and is a NYT-best-selling author (with Jason Fried) of 4 books: REWORK, REMOTE, Getting Real, and It Doesn&#8217;t Have To Be Crazy At Work. He is also a race car driver, including a class-winning performance at the 24 hour Le Mans race.
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DHH&#8217;s Website: <a href="https://dhh.dk/">https://dhh.dk/</a>
Ruby on Rails: <a href="https://rubyonrails.org/">https://rubyonrails.org/</a>
37signals: <a href="https://37signals.com/">https://37signals.com/</a>
DHH&#8217;s books:
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) &#8211; Introduction
(00:58) &#8211; Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:48) &#8211; Programming &#8211; early days
(26:13) &#8211; JavaScript
(36:32) &#8211; Google Chrome and DOJ
(44:19) &#8211; Ruby programming language
(51:30) &#8211; Beautiful code
(1:09:31) &#8211; Metaprogramming
(1:12:52) &#8211; Dynamic typing
(1:20:10) &#8211; Scaling
(1:33:03) &#8211; Future of programming
(1:50:34) &#8211; Future of AI
(1:56:29) &#8211; Vibe coding
(2:05:01) &#8211; Rails manifesto: Principles of a great programming language
(2:29:27) &#8211; Why managers are useless
(2:38:48) &#8211; Small teams
(2:44:55) &#8211; Jeff Bezos
(3:00:13) &#8211; Why meetings are toxic
(3:07:58) &#8211; Case against retirement
(3:15:15) &#8211; Hard work
(3:20:53) &#8211; Why we left the cloud
(3:24:04) &#8211; AWS
(3:33:22) &#8211; Owning your own servers
(3:39:35) &#8211; Elon Musk
(3:49:17) &#8211; Apple
(4:01:03) &#8211; Tim Sweeney
(4:12:37) &#8211; Fatherhood
(4:38:19) &#8211; Racing
(5:05:23) &#8211; Cars
(5:10:41) &#8211; Programming setup
(5:25:51) &#8211; Programming language for beginners
(5:39:09) &#8211; Open source
(5:48:01) &#8211; WordPress drama
(5:59:18) &#8211; Money and happiness
(6:08:11) &#8211; Hope

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