A hypervisual, looks-obsessed, wellness-crazed, postliterate society where we’re constantly staring at screens and evaluating one another based on metrics, as the country around us feels like it’s falling apart: That sounds like the world we live in. It’s also the world Gary Shteyngart created in his 2010 novel, “Super Sad True Love Story.”
I’ve been thinking about the book a lot recently, especially with the rise of the “looksmaxxing” influencer Clavicular and the longevity guru Bryan Johnson, and this feeling that people are upset and agitated but grabbing at the wrong things to fix it. It feels uncannily like the experience of living inside Shteyngart’s novel.
But Shteyngart isn’t just a dystopian prophet, he’s also an expert at living well amid the world’s darkness. His forthcoming book, “The Sensualist: Adventures in Pure Pleasure,” is an essay collection about his efforts to do exactly that. So I wanted to have Shteyngart on the show to understand how he predicted so many of the grimmer aspects of our present, but also how we might delight in the world’s “endless buffet of pleasure” in spite of them.
This episode contains strong language.
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Mentioned:
“<a href="https://www.garbageday.email/p/the-end-point-of-viral-content" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The End Point Of Viral Content</a>” by Ryan Broderick
“<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/23/how-jokes-won-the-election" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How Jokes Won the Election</a>” by Emily Nussbaum
“<a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/visit-seoul-writer-future-robots-180963238/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A Visit to Seoul Brings Our Writer Face-to-Face With the Future of Robots</a>” by Gary Shteyngart
<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/671594/the-intimate-city-by-michael-kimmelman/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Intimate City</a> by Michael Kimmelman
“<a href="https://www.wesleyan.edu/about/news/2026/05/chris-murphy-dont-just-take-the-slow-road-build-it.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Don’t Just Take the Slow Road; Design It</a>,” Commencement address at Wesleyan’s 194th Commencement Ceremony, Chris Murphy
Book Recommendations:
<a href="https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/men-like-ours-9781639735228/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Men Like Ours</a> by Bindu Bansinath
<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/797017/a-tender-age-by-chang-rae-lee/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A Tender Age</a> by Chang-rae Lee
<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/motherland-julia-ioffe?variant=42684866396194" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Motherland</a> by Julia Ioffe
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