In this episode of the Outside the Box podcast, host Dr. Michael Desch is joined by guests Dr. John Mearsheimer and Dr. Stephen Walt to discuss the taboo surrounding the Israel lobby. Dr. Mearsheimer and Dr. Walt, as tenured endowed professors at leading academic institutions, share their experiences facing pressure from the lobby and discuss why it is difficult to openly talk about its influence. They highlight the historical backdrop of anti-Semitism in the Christian West, conspiracy theories, and the tragic events of the Holocaust that make it challenging to discuss the lobby without triggering accusations of anti-Semitism. The guests also acknowledge that the lobby itself has used accusations of anti-Semitism to marginalize and silence critics. Overall, this episode delves into the intricate dynamics of interest group politics and criticizes not only the lobby but also Israel and the U.S.-Israeli relationship.

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