This is Casey Newton, founder and editor of Platformer and cohost of the Hard Fork podcast. This is the second episode of my productivity-focused Decoder series I’m doing while Nilay is out on parental leave. 
Today, I’m talking with Notion cofounder and CEO Ivan Zhao. I’ve followed Notion for quite some time now — I’m a big fan, and I use Notion as part of my workflow with Platformer. So I was very excited to get Ivan on the show to discuss his philosophy on productivity, how he’s grown his company over the last decade, and where he sees the space going in the future. 

Links: 
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 <li>Introducing Notion AI for Work | <a href="https://www.notion.com/blog/notion-ai-for-work">Notion</a>
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 <li>Notion Mail is a minimalist but powerful take on email | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/apps/648464/notion-mail-email-app">Verge</a>
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 <li>Notion’s new Q&A feature lets you ask an AI about your notes | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/14/23952292/notion-qa-ai-search">Verge</a>
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 <li>Notion takes on AI notetakers with its own transcription feature | <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/13/notion-takes-on-ai-notetakers-like-granola-with-its-own-transcription-feature/">TechCrunch</a>
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 <li>The impossible dream of good workplace software | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24266372/workplace-productivity-enterprise-software-ai-microsoft-office-google-workspace-slack-decoder">Decoder</a>
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 <li>When AI has better taste than you | <a href="https://lg.substack.com/p/when-ai-has-better-taste-than-you">Julie Zhuo / The Looking Glass</a>
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Credits:
Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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