In five days, TikTok as we know it could be finished in the US. The Verge's Lauren Feiner joins the show to discuss last week's Supreme Court arguments over the ban, why things don't look good for TikTok, and what's likely to happen in the next five days. After that, Kickstarter CEO Everette Taylor talks about the state of the gadget inventor, and what it means to be part of the creator economy in 2025. Finally, we answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline about magic-link logins, and why passwords remain such a disaster.Further reading:<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/24340585/tiktok-ban-supreme-court-oral-arguments">TikTok’s last stand: Supreme Court weighs ban as deadline looms</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/10/24340859/supreme-court-tiktok-divest-ban-oral-arguments">TikTok still seems headed for a ban after its Supreme Court arguments</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24339875/tiktok-ban-supreme-court-china-trump">What it will take for TikTok to survive in the US</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/16/24127754/kickstarter-late-pledges-crowdfunding-indefinite-donations">Kickstarter is adding the ability to collect money indefinitely</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/29/21272287/kickstarter-aziz-hasan-layoffs-update-pledge-project-crowdfunding">Kickstarter’s CEO on why he doesn’t think the company will only do crowdfunding forever</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/24071753/passkeys-password-manager-wearables-vergecast">Passkeys might really kill passwords</a></li>
</ul>Email us at <a href="mailto:vergecast@theverge.com">vergecast@theverge.com</a> or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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