I’m excited to welcome back my good friend Dr. John Drury for part two of our conversation on the rule of life and how ancient practices can help us live and work with more intention. John is a New Testament scholar, professor, and thoughtful guide when it comes to integrating spiritual rhythms into ordinary life. In this continuation, we move from the big-picture ideas we introduced in part one into the practical how-to of building rhythms that create space for rest, reflection, and renewal before burnout forces the issue.In this conversation, we cover:<ul><li>Monthly Desert Days:&nbsp;John explains the idea of a monthly “desert day” or “9 to 4 retreat,” a set-apart block of time for radical understimulation, reflection, rest, and reconnecting with what matters most.</li><li>Why Understimulation Matters:&nbsp;We talk about why screens, noise, and constant input keep us from noticing our own lives—and how analog activities, silence, walking, journaling, and slower rhythms can help reset our attention.</li><li>Expect Nothing, Expect Everything:&nbsp;John shares why retreat practices work best when we stop demanding breakthrough moments and instead learn to receive whatever emerges without forcing productivity out of rest.</li><li>Quarterly and Annual Retreat Rhythms:&nbsp;We explore what longer rhythms can look like, from overnight quarterly retreats to annual time away, and how even a small amount of intentional distance can create clarity and renewal.</li><li>Vacation, Visitation, and Vocation:&nbsp;John offers a helpful distinction between true vacation, trips to visit family, and work-related travel—showing why naming the difference can help us be more intentional with our energy and expectations.</li></ul>This conversation is full of practical wisdom for anyone who wants to move from admiring better rhythms to actually experimenting with them. What I appreciate most is that John doesn’t present this as a rigid formula, but as an invitation to start where you can, pay attention, and let the practice itself teach you what you need. If part one helped you rethink Sabbath and weekly rhythms, this episode helps you start building the next layer.﻿Connect with Erik:<ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikjfisher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://www.threads.com/@erikjfisher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="http://facebook.com/erikjfisher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/erikjfisher.bsky.social" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li></ul>This Podcast is Powered By:<ul><li><a href="http://beyondthetodolist.com/descript" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Descript⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="http://beyondthetodolist.com/descript101" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Descript 101⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://get.castmagic.io/erikjfisher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Castmagic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ecamm.com/mac/ecammlive/?fp_ref=erik97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ecamm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://www.podpage.com/?via=erik-fisher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podpage⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3SGEEbr" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rodecaster Pro⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/shop/beyondtheto-dolist" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Top Productivity Books List⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠</a></li></ul><ul><li>Make sure to&nbsp;<a href="http://beyondthetodolist.com/blinkist" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">grab Shortcasts from Beyond The To-Do List by Blinkist</a>.&nbsp;A Shortcast is a 7-10 min version of a podcast where you get the core takeaways.&nbsp;</li></ul>See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

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