Can you heal pain by focusing on joy? 
Baratunde Thurston gave what’s been called “<a href="https://www.baratunde.com/livingwhileblack">the greatest TED talk of all time</a>.” He’s written about being <a href="https://www.baratunde.com/howtobeblack">Black in America</a>, he’s got a podcast about community involvement called <a href="https://www.howtocitizen.com/">How to Citizen</a>, and he’s got a <a href="https://www.pbs.org/show/america-outdoors-baratunde-thurston/#:~:text=About%20the%20Show,%C2%AE%2Dnominated%20host%20Baratunde%20Thurston.">PBS television show</a> that explores the beauty and diversity of America. 
There’s a duality running through all of this work, and in Baratunde’s personal life: mourning and celebration. From the early death of a parent, to men’s emotional health, to violence against Black men and boys, to the healing power of play and community, this week’s episode is a fascinating discussion of both grief and celebration - and why you don’t get one without the other. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Baratunde says he’s “wired for optimism” - which makes identifying his own grief… complicated</li>
<li aria-level="1">How you can lose a parent at a young age and not recognize the impact until you’re an adult</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why seeing other people be good parents can bring up grief</li>
<li aria-level="1">Black joy and men’s community (plus the hashtag <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/tag/blackmenfrolicking">#BlackMenFrolicking</a>)</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why is it hard to play as an adult - and find other adults to play with? </li>
</ul>

We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.
 
Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/wyg">course here</a>.
 
About our guest:
Baratunde Thurston is an Emmy-nominated, multi-platform storyteller and producer operating at the intersection of race, tech, democracy, and climate. He is the host of the PBS television series <a href="https://www.pbs.org/about/about-pbs/blogs/news/america-outdoors-with-baratunde-thurston-premieres-july-5-2022-on-pbs/">America Outdoors with Baratunde Thurston</a>, creator and host of <a href="https://baratunde.com/howtocitizen">How To Citizen with Baratunde</a>, and a founding partner of the new media startup <a href="http://puck.news/author/baratunde-thurston/">Puck</a>. His comedic memoir, <a href="https://www.baratunde.com/howtobeblack">How To Be Black</a>, is a New York Times best-seller. Baratunde serves on the boards of <a href="http://build.org/">BUILD.org</a> and the <a href="http://bklynlibrary.org/">Brooklyn Public Library</a>. 
 
Find him at <a href="https://www.baratunde.com/">baratunde.com</a> and follow him on social media @baratunde
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief
 
Additional resources:
Read Baratunde’s book - <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780062003225">How to be Black</a> 
Baratunde’s TED talk <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZgkjEdMbSw">How to Deconstruct Racism, One Headline at a Time</a>  ‘America is addicted to watching me die…’ - <a href="https://puck.news/thoughts-tears-for-tyre/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=linktree&utm_campaign=thoughts+%26+tears+for+tyre+%28puck%29">Baratunde’s Puck article "Thoughts & Tears For Tyre"</a> 
Baratunde mentioned Valarie Kaur - get her book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780525509110">See No Stranger</a>, and <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/wonder-in-an-age-of-violence-valarie-kaur-see-no-stranger/id1595914505?i=1000633054280">listen to her episode on It’s OK that You’re Not OK</a>
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books -<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074"> It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708"> How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>
 
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