What do you do when you feel anxious or insecure? Many of us try to push the feeling away, or we ruminate on it, or try to solve it, or avoid the thought altogether. But what would happen if we did the exact opposite?
The Buddhist nun and teacher Pema Chödrön is the author of many beloved books, including “When Things Fall Apart,” “Welcoming the Unwelcome” and — my personal favorite — “Comfortable With Uncertainty.” And she has a way of inviting people to befriend the parts of life that typically induce dread — from uncertainty and suffering to loss and discomfort. And she argues that the process of sitting with these experiences and emotions actually releases their power over us. In a time as chaotic and tumultuous as ours, she has so much practical wisdom to share.
In this conversation, she shares what it looks like to actually let go of difficult emotions, the art of “collaborating with reality” when things don’t go as expected, and how to awaken yourself to the “nowness” of life.
Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.shambhala.com/comfortable-with-uncertainty-15045.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq-ehwqX_Ig4fXABfWX2YtRVTSyEJJSS47_uc8VMoF0wV2hCU9u" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Comfortable with Uncertainty</a> by Pema Chödrön
<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/642782/when-things-fall-apart-by-pema-chodron/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">When Things Fall Apart</a> by Pema Chödrön
<a href="https://www.shambhala.com/welcoming-the-unwelcome-9781611805659.html?srsltid=AfmBOopKxp3WWgF2QieaTjeWW9Zc2Drz7qcS-9yZ8rRtSOgwRCadzyeG" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Welcoming the Unwelcome</a> by Pema Chödrön
<a href="https://www.shambhala.com/another-kind-of-freedom.html?srsltid=AfmBOopD9vASHPjpTdOXJNBbQVtUNxAJhuR16uAPJ1kQsGfGD4PVkKQK" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Another Kind of Freedom</a> by Pema Chödrön
Book Recommendations:
<a href="https://www.shambhala.com/shambhala-the-sacred-path-of-the-warrior.html?srsltid=AfmBOoqAeCquDDyujYJZbKPu4GdIWjwU0e__hHY9FcV_V_VGJjcrjTWw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Shambhala: The Sacred Path of the Warrior</a> by Chögyam Trungpa
<a href="https://www.shambhala.com/zen-mind-beginner-s-mind-1796.html?srsltid=AfmBOooXaILfbvl2Lohhtxdo2pX2jm0UoQms8tn7yUx33ZsBQ5YZUq1b" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind</a> by Shunryu Suzuki
<a href="https://www.shambhala.com/enlightened-vagabond-9781611803303.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq6XJZDLLcp399GW53l09-RVneoAojBnpZ86lJXiJbpkaq0vs4U" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Enlightened Vagabond</a> by Matthieu Ricard
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