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Former UAP Task Force member and retired U.S. Air Force intelligence analyst Lenval Logan returns to the podcast for a wide-ranging conversation following David Grusch’s latest appearance on Joe Rogan.Logan reacts to Grusch’s new claims, discusses what was being talked about inside the UAP Task Force, revisits extraordinary footage he says he saw during his time working the issue, including a huge object moving underwater, and explains why he believes the recently released government UAP footage is not the best material available.He also discusses his involvement with Jason Sands and Joe Rogan, what had and had not been vetted at the time, and shares a deeply unusual personal experience involving a mysterious blue figure that he had previously been reluctant to discuss publicly.Later, Matt Stevens joins us to discuss the Phenom app, their attempt to build a citizen-science platform for documenting UAP sightings with verifiable video, sensor data and a clearer chain of custody in an age where AI-generated footage is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish from the real thing.Check out the app - <a href="https://www.thephenom.app/">https://www.thephenom.app/</a>🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join</a>🛸 Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast">https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast</a>🛸 Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397</a>🛸 Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ">https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ</a>🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast</a>📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: <a href="http://YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast">YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast</a>Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.comAll links: <a href="https://linktr.ee/ufouapam">https://linktr.ee/ufouapam</a>Official Website: <a href="http://ThatUFOPodcast.com">ThatUFOPodcast.com</a>👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy</div>

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