<p>We now have many ways to tell the story of America's tilt towards authoritarianism, but for your host one image  sums up the whole sordid business: a mashup of Donald Trump and the Marvel comic book character The Punisher. In this episode we talk with Kent Worcester, author of a new <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/C/bo208658766.html"><strong>cultural history of the Punisher</strong></a>. It's a conversation about America's fascination with, and attraction to, a black and white vision of justice and vengeance. </p>

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