Nora and Nathan briefly recap their favorite moments from the VMAs (1:00) before getting into the debut album from Audrey Hobert, 'Who's the Clown?' (12:22). They talk about Hobert's other job—writing songs with Gracie Abrams (17:47)—the ways in which this album is similar to and different from Abrams's 'The Secret of Us' (23:33), and the complex lyrics over simple chords that make this album one of the best debuts since Olivia Rodrigo's (44:01).
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