#248: Learn to escape the trap of over-optimizing and design a more meaningful life. We explore setting boundaries, resetting priorities, and turning failure into fuel for success. We also dive into Tim’s creative process behind his new card game and the surprising value of play.

<a href="https://twitter.com/tferriss">Tim Ferriss</a> is an entrepreneur, bestselling author, and host of <a href="https://tim.blog/podcast/">The Tim Ferriss Show</a>, one of the world’s most popular podcasts with over a billion downloads. He loves experimenting with productivity, health, storytelling, personal growth, and, most recently, card games.

Link to Full Show Notes: <a href="https://chrishutchins.com/tim-ferriss-over-optimizing-failure-play">https://chrishutchins.com/tim-ferriss-over-optimizing-failure-play</a>

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Resources Mentioned
Tim: <a href="https://tim.blog/">Website</a> | <a href="https://tim.blog/podcast/">Podcast</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/tferriss">X</a>
<ul>
 <li><a href="https://amzn.to/4pHgqxc">The 4-Hour Workweek</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://amzn.to/46Ly22B">The 4-Hour Body</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://amzn.to/4nMnnve">The 4-Hour Chef</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://tim.blog/2025/01/13/the-no-book/">THE NO BOOK</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://tim.blog/2019/12/30/where-are-you-still-using-single-ply/">Where Are You Still Using Single-Ply?</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://amzn.to/4o1HkOZ">Coyote Card Game</a></li>
</ul>
<a href="https://terryreal.com/books/">Terry Real’s Books</a>
<a href="https://www.stumbleupon.com/">Stumble Upon</a>
<a href="https://www.diggnation.show/">Diggnation</a>
<a href="https://www.tonyrobbins.com/products/personal-power?srsltid=AfmBOopA2pTnuPM_Cb2xmuG0jI3gJ-79EWVVcie7etrZ11Xh4cB0Alxe">Personal Power</a> by Tony Robbins
<a href="https://amzn.to/4nQzzep">Secrets of Power Negotiating</a> by Roger Dawson
<a href="https://www.acroyoga.org/about-us">AcroYoga</a>
<a href="https://www.explodingkittens.com/?srsltid=AfmBOor5trTzEdEGFdjCLKbw_FzR3M0lWZWwoq51zvlN-ykSqPeqntAH">Exploding Kittens</a>
<a href="https://www.thinklikeagamedesigner.com/podcast">Think Like a Game Designer Podcast</a>
<a href="https://procreate.com/">Procreate</a>
ATH Podcast
<ul>
 <li>Ep #216: <a href="https://www.chrishutchins.com/simon-sinek-purpose-friendship-human-skills/">Purpose, Friendship, and Human Skills with Simon Sinek</a>
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Full Show Notes
(00:00) Introduction
(00:45) When Tim Realized That Optimization Could Bend Life in His Favor
(06:40) The Role of Patience in Optimization
(08:14) Dialing Back on Optimizing
(11:23) Do Relationships Require Less Optimization?
(16:45) Fighting Natural Tendencies for a Better Life
(19:57) The Impact of Journaling
(23:42) Does Tim Still Find Himself Over-Optimizing?
(25:14) The 3 Levels of Listening
(29:47) Designing for States
(31:40) Different Lenses for Optimization
(36:28) The Optimizer Curses
(40:53) How to Avoid Decision Fatigue
(45:32) Being Rich Enough to Rent
(48:37) Knowing When to Say “Yes or “No”
(55:35) Active vs. Passive Intuition
(01:01:40) How Decisions Get Influenced When You Have Kids
(01:08:01) Is "Play" a State to Aim For?
(01:13:38) Incorporating Play in Adulthood
(01:18:13) The Process of Creating a New Card Game
(01:28:18) The Next Big Project for Tim
(01:30:53) Humans as Storytellers
(01:34:10) Where to Find Tim & His Work

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