Today on The Gist, guest host Adaam James Levin introduces the first installment of Mike Pesca's two-part conversation with investigative reporter Ken Bensinger, co-host of The Michigan Plot. Bensinger breaks down the 2020 investigation into the conspiracy to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, detailing how an amateur militia group collided with an aggressive FBI undercover operation. Drawing on hundreds of hours of secret recordings, Bensinger and Pesca examine the murky boundary between stopping a legitimate domestic terror threat and orchestrating one, the psychological vulnerabilities exploited by federal informants, and how trial evidentiary rules shaped the contrasting narratives inside the courtroomStop online threats before they become real-world attacks. Visit <a rel="noopener noreferrer">ironwall.com/GIST</a> and request a free Risk Assessment to see exactly how exposed your executives are.Produced by Corey WaraDo you have questions or comments, or just want to say hello? Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠<a href="mailto:thegist@mikepesca.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">thegist@mikepesca.com</a>For full Pesca content and updates, check out our website at&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mikepesca.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.mikepesca.com/</a>⁠For ad-free content or to become a Pesca Plus subscriber, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠<a href="https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/</a>For Mike's daily takes on Substack, subscribe to The Gist List&nbsp;<a href="https://mikepesca.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://mikepesca.substack.com/</a>Follow us on Social Media:⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4_bh0wHgk2YfpKf4rg40_g" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4_bh0wHgk2YfpKf4rg40_g</a>⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/pescagist/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.instagram.com/pescagist/</a>X&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/pescami" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://x.com/pescami</a>TikTok&nbsp;<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@pescagist" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.tiktok.com/@pescagist</a>To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠<a href="mailto:sales@amplitudemediapartners.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sales@amplitudemediapartners.com</a> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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