The Trump administration is using federal money—and the withholding thereof—as a way to bring universities like Columbia and Penn to heel. But institutes of higher education have not yet begun to fight, and when they do, they’ve got strong legal arguments against incursions on their academic freedom.Guest: Lee Bollinger, president emeritus, Columbia UniversityWant more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your  other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-next-daily-news-and-analysis/id1438906889">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7IT5Yn1zGDH1cYXh38dned">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/podcast-plus?utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=plus_pod&utm_content=What_Next&utm_source=episode_summary">slate.com/whatnextplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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