My guest today is Mike Cannon-Brookes, who is co-founder and CEO of Atlassian. Atlassian is one of those companies that every other company runs on — it makes important platform tools like Jira and Trello. This means Atlassian is also right in the middle of the way AI is changing how all these companies work.&nbsp;
Or, if you buy the idea of the so-called SaaSpocalypse, AI might just build all of these tools for you, destroying this entire category of businesses. Obviously, Mike had a lot of thoughts pushing back on this narrative, so we spent time really digging in and talking through what AI is doing to enterprise software.&nbsp;
Links:&nbsp;
<ul>
 <li>How Australia became the test bed for tech regulation | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/22332149/atlassian-ceo-scott-farquhar-interview-tech-regulation-internet">Decoder (2021)</a></li>
 <li>Building a $45B company far from Silicon Valley’s ‘froth and bubbles’ | <a href="https://www.semafor.com/article/09/18/2026/how-atlassian-built-a-45-billion-software-company-far-from-silicon-valleys-froth-and-bubbles">Semafor</a></li>
 <li>Atlassian CEO Mike Cannon-Brookes on Atlassian and AI | <a href="https://stratechery.com/2025/an-interview-with-atlassian-ceo-mike-cannon-brookes-about-atlassian-and-ai/">Stratechery</a></li>
 <li>How Atlassian shook off the 'SaaSpocalypse' for a big rally&nbsp; | <a href="https://www.investors.com/research/the-new-america/atlassian-stock-saaspocalypse-ai-rally/">IBD</a></li>
 <li>Atlassian acquires The Browser Company, maker of the Arc browser | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/web/770947/browser-company-arc-dia-acquired-atlassian">The Verge</a></li>
 <li>Atlassian Co-CEO resigns, leaving Cannon-Brookes as sole chief | <a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/news/atlassian-co-ceo-scott-farquhar-210453494.html">Bloomberg</a></li>
 <li>Atlassian cuts 1,600 jobs amid AI push | <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanburgos/2026/03/12/australian-billionaire-mike-cannon-brookes-atlassian-cuts-1600-jobs-amid-ai-push/">Forbes</a></li>
</ul>

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