When <a href="https://www.ruthieackerman.com/">Ruthie Ackerman</a> was in her late 30s, she realized she wanted to have a baby. But there was a problem- she was married to someone who didn’t. So, she got divorced and began a transformative process to motherhood. In this Refam Chat, Julia talks to Ruthie about her experience with IVF and egg donation to finally get pregnant, what it was like to confront the stories about motherhood she grew up with, and how she’s created a new definition of motherhood for herself and her daughter._<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/738465/the-mother-code-by-ruthie-ackerman/">Pre-order Ruthie’s memoir The Mother Code now</a>!!!Anyone who pre-orders the book can attend <a href="https://www.ruthieackerman.com/the-mother-code-exclusive">a writing masterclass with Ruthie on May 5</a>. _Connect with us: EMAIL: <a href="mailto:hello@refamulating.com">hello@refamulating.com</a>. <a href="https://www.refamulating.com/">WEBSITE</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/refamulating/">INSTAGRAM</a><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refamulating">TIK TOK</a>_Subscribe to our <a href="https://refamulating.substack.com/">newsletter</a> for more refamulating! We write about how refamulating looks in our lives, share resources we’re using as we make this show and share special bonus content for paid subscribers._Our team Host: <a href="https://www.juliawinston.com/">Julia Winston</a>Producer: <a href="https://www.clairemcinerny.com/">Claire McInerny</a> Audio Engineer: <a href="https://joshgilbertmedia.com/">Josh Gilbert</a>Theme Music: <a href="https://www.luketop.com/">Luke Top</a>–We are a member of the <a href="https://www.feelingsand.co/">Feelings and Co</a> network.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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