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In this video:

00:25 – The mental side of trading well. 00:49 – Tom’s background. 02:40 – You don’t need to be perfect. 06:34 – Ideas for new traders. 09:25 – AI and the future as a trader. 14:25 – Closing the trade early for profit. 16:52 – False results from gurus online. 19:50 – Trading and stress. 23:14 – Andrew looking at D1 charts in a few minutes. 26:25 – People need support and community.

Andrew Mitchem Hi everybody. It’s Andrew Mitchem here at the Forex Trading Coach. Welcome to another video on podcast. I’m really excited today to be joined by Tom Winterstein, who is a certified mental performance coach and trader over in the US. Welcome a long time. Nice to see you

Tom Winterstein Great. Thank you. Great to be here.

The mental side of trading well.

Andrew Mitchem Tom, look, I think we’ve got a lot of great information that we’re going to help people with on this, video on podcast. Because we were just chatting about the mental aspect of trading and how it’s something we’re both huge on, but it’s something that most people just completely overlook in their trading, especially if they’re new.

Andrew Mitchem So maybe you can give us a bit of background on yourself and that aspect of your trading and how it’s crucial to someone’s success.

Tom’s background.

Tom Winterstein Sure, sure. Thank you. Thank you for that. Well, I’ve spent over 30 years in the markets as a trader, an investor and an educator, and I’ve been focus on, you know, global markets like futures and, equities and commodities, forex and, and even crypto using a price action based approach. But that wasn’t always the case. That wasn’t how I started.

Tom Winterstein Like most traders, I went through various different systems, indicators, you know, gurus, signals and stuff and totally ignored, any of the, the trading psychology or mental performance side because I thought I didn’t need it. You know, I could succeed without that. You know, most traders, you know, like yourself and like me have been very successful. We’ve had successful periods in our life and we approach this as something that it’s another thing we can be successful in.

Tom Winterstein Although it’s not quite that easy, it doesn’t translate that as well. If you leave out certain parts of it. So what I realized is that most traders don’t struggle because they they lack a strategy. You know, most traders have a strategy. They’re not just, you know, throwing a dart and buying or selling willy nilly. They struggle because their execution breaks down when there’s real money on the line and in their emotions take over the, the class and that that right there, you know, that experience was the shift that led me to focus on building a repeatable performance environment.

Tom Winterstein Okay. Right. Hence the mental side of it had to be combined with price action or whatever your strategy or edge was today. My work centers not only in price action, but risk management and mental performance systems that help traders perform consistently, not perfectly, but consistently. And that’s that’s really, you know, the best we can strive for as traders or investors is to be consistent and have a system that that, you know, takes us through the decision making process.

You don’t need to be perfect.

Tom Winterstein So in the heat of the moment, those decisions are outsourced to our process.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah. Interesting. I like I really like the phrase that you use to that not making it perfect because I think when people get into trading and, you know, they buy a course or they read an e-book, whatever it might be, they see that boring bit at the top that talks about risk management and psychology and mind control, you know, mining everything, the all the important things that we’re going to talk about.

Andrew Mitchem But they get that, oh, I don’t need that. I scroll down through the important bit because I want the strategy. And then when they do things like backtesting, they they want the perfect strategy. And and your phrase about it’s not perfect is so true because as we both know, we can see what we think is an A-grade setup.

Andrew Mitchem You take your trade and it still doesn’t work sometimes. So that’s just the way of the markets. But not being perfect is something that people, don’t want. They want to be perfect, but they ignore the important and the risk and the micro. Why? Why is that? Why do people do that? Is it just a boring topic?

Tom Winterstein Well, it’s many cases. Like even myself, when I was younger, I didn’t know what I didn’t know.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah, I know.

Tom Winterstein My my background, a formal education is more in, information systems, computer science. Yes. I have a postgraduate degree. I have a master’s degree in business administration with a concentration on finance. But it did teach me about human emotions. When it comes in to to an environment like this. And it’s it’s trading is is pretty much a scenario unlike any others in the world.

Tom Winterstein Okay. You know, when it comes down because you have your money at stake and you know, it’s it’s and really we’re performers, okay. And there’s a lot of different roles where people perform. Could be a doctor or a lawyer. Pilot could be a skilled, you know, craftsman, a welder or whatever. Those are all acquired skills, okay. And training is an acquired skill.

Tom Winterstein However, when you get into, you know, the actual trading in the heat of the moment, there’s, you know, there’s psychological things beyond or our awareness or beyond our control that we just don’t realize that are taking over. I give you one real simple example and we call it, you know, and this is how a lot of traders will sabotage themselves.

Tom Winterstein And we call it the identity gap. And and what I mean by that is, you know, like you mentioned, people will read books, take courses, watch videos, and they’re highly skilled. Okay. But what happens is their performance lags their skill, meaning that they have all these tools, they know what to do, but their performance has has seemingly lagged their skill acquisition.

Tom Winterstein And so their subconscious labels them as an inconsistent trader. Yeah, okay. And that’s a really hard label to break because 90% of our overall actions are directed and guided by our subconscious. And that was something that I didn’t really understand. I didn’t want to understand when I was a new trader. I’m like, that has nothing to do with with trading charts, you know, or anything.

Tom Winterstein Until I realized and her and I had done quite extensive study under, you know, a high performance psychologist, when the concept was, was approached to me that, hey, your subconscious is getting in your way, but it’s something that can be reprogramed. And what stuck out with me out of that whole sentence was reprogramed because of my computer science backing and like, oh, okay, I need to understand the syntax.

Tom Winterstein Tell me the language. What can we do? Are there and there are specific tools to work on. You know how you get in your own way as a trader, you know, without getting and I’m not a psychologist, but but I understand the tools and know how they apply in the trading and investing, world.

Ideas for new traders.

Andrew Mitchem Right. Interesting. So someone starting out that’s watching this, you know, let’s say that new ish trader, the difference that we would see as people who help and we’ve been through this ourselves, you know, the difference between a demo account on a live account and people struggle with that transition, don’t they? They, they go, a demo account of making money and I go live and I’m not making money.

Andrew Mitchem Why is that? What’s going on in their mind that creates that change? Because in theory, if you’re profitable on a demo, don’t do anything different. And you should be profitable in a life.

Tom Winterstein Yeah, well, that’s the theory and the demo, right? Yeah. The demo account can be a trap for many people. Because demo trading doesn’t really prepare traders. And what I mean by that is without emotional consequences, execution habits never fully form. Okay. So there’s no there’s no real risk of, of a consequence in this case. When you trade, you lose money.

Tom Winterstein That’s a consequence and there’s no real risk of that consequence. So therefore we don’t develop habits to overcome that potential. And and people will tend to do things in a demo account that they wouldn’t do with their with their live account.

Andrew Mitchem Yes. Yeah.

Tom Winterstein You and I see that all the time. Yeah. And, and when I first I’ve done it.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah I’ve done it. You know years ago. Yeah.

Tom Winterstein Right. Right. And I so different when I first started, especially when I first started trading futures, that I felt so different with demo, it didn’t I didn’t think it was helping me. And so I really didn’t trade demo very much to the point was that, okay, even, you know, and this is, you know, before micro contracts, but even with one micro contract, people’s palms will get sweaty.

Tom Winterstein And you can you can feel your heart and you can hear your heartbeat and think it was one micro contract in a, in a, you know, on the Nasdaq or the futures or, or if you’re doing, you know, the smallest of contract size in the forex market, it’s just different in a live account than it is demo.

Tom Winterstein And so I don’t, I don’t I don’t advocate that people don’t. A demo is a great place to learn the software platform that you’re trading on, you know, so whatever your platform happens to be, because, you know, in many cases, I’ve even recently I make procedural errors on the software. And, you know, sometimes in the heat of the moment when you yeah, you meant to close part of the position and you added to it or vice versa.

Tom Winterstein But but demo is a great place to get acclimated, you know, to the software, especially if you’re making a recent change or you’re new to it. Demos are a great place to practice the software.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah. And to work out you, you know, you you buy limit as opposed to a buy stop rule. Right? Right. If you see a script or an expert advisor, whatever it is, you use it for that reason.

AI and the future as a trader.

Now leading on from that, you know, everybody’s now talking about going to AI. And, you know, I’ve been trying to trade bots for years on MetaTrader and things like that.

Andrew Mitchem However, to me, this still whether you want to go that route or not, there’s so much human emotion and common sense and understanding of what that automation is about that comes into it. You can’t just simply go, I’ve spent $1,000. I bought a bot, I plugged it in, I let it go. You just can’t do that, can you?

Andrew Mitchem So there’s still even if you go automation or to some degree that’s still the emotions come into it. How does that bot work? Why does it stop working? How do I change the parameters? All those things.

Tom Winterstein Right. Yeah. And to me AI is just another tool, like, like an indicator. Yes. Or a strategy or a study or something like that. That’s how I characterize it. And I know people will use the bots and stuff. I personally do not, although I do. I do believe AI has a significant place in trading and investing, but it’s more on the preparation than it is on the execution.

Tom Winterstein I still believe it’s best left to a human to execute because, you know, I don’t and I use AI quite a bit, but I don’t know that I can adapt my risk management tolerance. Yeah. And things like that. Now, sure, I can program it to do whatever, but but I like, you know, I like the human element more than I like the AI component for that.

Tom Winterstein So I do believe AI has a place in trading and investing, but it’s more in the preparation I believe.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah, I agree and and also I think from a mental aspect, if you’re a good trader, there’s nothing more rewarding than knowing that up here you have that information and that skill to do this, to pass it on to other people, whatever it might be. And and if you’re trading is purely to, free up time in your life or to create a financial future, then that that I suppose that emotion of knowing I can do this is something you’re never, ever going to get from relying completely on automation.

Tom Winterstein Oh, I know absolutely. And there there’s nothing better than, you know, self-made success, especially when it comes to trading. Yeah. Because it does it does build confidence. But, traders and investors have to be careful that that confidence doesn’t change parameters like. Yeah, okay, well, I’m having a good day. I’m having a good week. I’m having a good month.

Tom Winterstein I’m going to size up, you know, and it’s okay to size up, but you really have to have a mechanical process to do this and know some of the things that we advocate inside of our mental performance programs is to keep a trader scorecard. You know, we’re I’m actually documenting and I have to have metrics of success, meaning, before I scale up, I have to have three out of four green weeks before I can move contract size.

Tom Winterstein And that’s that’s just a simple example of outsourcing a decision to the process rather than like, hey, I’m having a great day. Let me double down or I’m having a bad day, let me double down that I know the process has to be consistent because, you know, over the long run, that’s that’s what keeps the math and the probability in the edge in your favor.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah. Do you find that when you’re helping people and they you start to see them successful, they have very low control risk over, like all trades at that time? You know, and regardless of the pattern or maybe the time frame or in the forex, you know, whether you’re trading the euro, US dollar or whatever it is, they’re trading the same risk per trade.

Andrew Mitchem And also they generally have a high reward to risk outcome on most of their trades. Do you find that?

Tom Winterstein Well, that’s what breeds success. That’s what’s required to be consistent. But then you know, we talked about trading isn’t always perfect. Yes. You know, and so people will break their rules, from time to time where they will size up, even though they have a written rule, they don’t follow it. And that’s because you have that little voice inside of you saying, oh, just do it.

Tom Winterstein Just do it. Yeah, you can do it once.

Andrew Mitchem I want to be perfect.

Tom Winterstein Right? Because. Right. This is this one will be perfect for the will have an identity. They start to assume the identity of their last trade. And this is another, another thing that can sabotage somebody is, you know, I just I have had a really good trade and and it’s gone. Well, okay. So, I’m going to go trade something else because I’m really smart.

Tom Winterstein I’m going to apply what I’ve learned in the Eurodollar over here to some market I’ve never traded before. Yeah, but they’re they’re getting out of their process. You know, they don’t. And it’s okay to do that. But you have to have a structured approach and in a, in an environment to work yourself into that, it’s almost like, you know, you have to be able to reward yourself by accomplishing things that get you to that, to that, you know, milestone that you’d like to do.

Closing the trade early for profit.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah. Interesting. So there’s another idea that I’ve just suddenly thought of. And again, I used to do this years ago before I understood the importance of risk or trade, is that a lot of people will not trade with the stop loss. Let’s say, or they may not put a profit target in. And why is it, in your opinion, that people find it easy to let a trade go negative and a big and negative in the hope that it’s turning round?

Andrew Mitchem But they won’t take the profit on a trade, even though it hasn’t got to where it probably should get to, because they always want to close a profitable trade early and bank that money that like that fear, you’re going to lose out. But when the trade is going against you are happy to let it get bigger and bigger loss because it might just turn around to be smaller.

Tom Winterstein Yeah, well, the reason they do that is because they haven’t outsourced their decision making and they’re making decisions on the fly in the trade. Yeah. And you had a set of rules that defined your risk management before a trade ever started. So many things are easy to say and hard to do, but once you put them into practice, you know, for the people that don’t trade with a stop loss or they’ll add to it to a loser or they’ll just let it go.

Tom Winterstein What what they’re unknowingly doing is they’re putting the mathematical odds against them. So instead of having a one to 1 or 2 or 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, they now have having a negative to And they don’t realize that over time that math isn’t going to work in their favor. And I see that that’s, that’s a quite common thing with newer traders is they’re like, they’re they’re risking ten to make three.

Tom Winterstein I’m like, yeah, well that’s that’s not going to work long term mathematically. You know, I wasn’t a math major, but I understand statistics. And once but once they once you can reveal to them that, hey, that the odds are stacked against you, but then share a process, okay. You know, and this goes back to like, some of the teachings from Mark Douglas.

Tom Winterstein You know, any time you introduce something new, you have to give it at least 20 trades in a series. Otherwise you don’t you don’t statistically know whether or not it’s going to work. And so I will strongly advocate for that, you know, okay, let’s let’s work on your order. But we’re going to let it run 20 trades then it value it.

Tom Winterstein Let the numbers tell us what to do. Don’t let us, you know, don’t don’t make a decision based on what we think or feel. Let’s let the data tell it.

False results from gurus online.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah. So is that is that a risk that a lot of people today when we’re getting shorter and shorter attention span, everybody wants to go on Instagram and TikTok and all that. And they see these results because I’ve looked at a few and they go, I’ve made $1,000 on this trade. And then you look like and that looks really, you know, attractive, doesn’t it?

Andrew Mitchem And then as an experienced trader, you look into that further and you go, wow, you did risk 50% of your account to get that right. And people don’t see that aspect of it.

Tom Winterstein No, they don’t. And the reality is that those people, you know, as as you and I would probably consider, they’re not traders, they’re gamblers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they’re they’re out there with a gambling mentality. And, you know, even in the casinos people are going to win sometimes. But even the winners usually stick around long enough to lose their money to.

Tom Winterstein Yeah. You know.

Andrew Mitchem Hey, you okay? That’s why there was the biggest buildings in America. But I was there last year and saw some huge.

Tom Winterstein Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And they’re, they’re building more and more all the time.

Andrew Mitchem And there’s only one reason for that. Happy.

Tom Winterstein Yeah.

Andrew Mitchem So yeah, in terms of a mindset of someone, why is it that we see and I’m assuming you see the same? I’d certainly say this. Someone’s gone and let’s say paid for course. And they go, I know it works because I’ve seen it work. And it’s been proven to work. And they have they start with like you’re part of a base and a rule.

Andrew Mitchem You know, if you understand that phrase, that’s a phrase that we use. You know, they start and they’re all enthusiastic. And then they might have a few losing trades, and then you don’t see them showing up and they go, oh, look at some losing trades. And they’re on to that next shiny object. And I find that really frustrating because it’s from a coach’s perspective, because so many times have had that happen and people then come back and go, oh, I know I joined you a year ago, and I’ve been through all these other courses since, and I’ll come back and I realized that yours was the best strategy, and now I’m on it, and now

Andrew Mitchem I’m loving it. And it’s like, you’ve just wasted a year of your time. I know.

Tom Winterstein I know, losing.

Andrew Mitchem Money, people just chasing the next shiny object. If things don’t go perfect in the first week of month.

Tom Winterstein Yeah. And and I have seen that quite a bit myself. It’s like, just almost identical to the way you described it. And really it comes down to education versus conditioning. Because education, education is very important. We have we have to have an edge. We have to we have to have a strategic strategy. But that knowledge or strategy alone does not translate into behavior under stress.

Tom Winterstein Right. And that’s the that’s the part that traders and investors don’t understand and don’t realize. Or if they do, they ignore it. You know, just like I did when I was younger is, you know, we as humans behave differently under stress.

Trading and stress.

Andrew Mitchem Yes. That’s interesting I suppose. I’m not sure if you were, but I fly a helicopter privately. Oh, nice. And, you know, you do those auto rotations and you have those tests, and they deliberately put you under so much stress because especially when you’re training with dual controls in because they almost want to see that person go, oh, I can’t do it.

Andrew Mitchem It’s too hard. Stop annoying me. You do it. I mean, where is of course you can’t do that when you’re in charge. If things go wrong, you’ve got to use your mental clarity and go straight an to that process and. Right. And I think that trading is kind of similar. I’ve done a lot of martial arts. I wish I still did it.

Andrew Mitchem I’m not fit enough now. But you know, years ago I did a lot of martial arts. Same thing that mental aspect of martial arts. It’s all up here. And for sure, like, if people have these kind of other skills and, and all, they relate to another skill that they have, it would help them to become a better trader quicker.

Tom Winterstein Right? Right. And there’s a lot of things. And when I was younger, I was a single engine aircraft pilot. Ryan, as, as, you know, someone that’s never flown a plane or a helicopter may not know this, but everything you do and everything I did as a pilot revolves around a little checklist.

Andrew Mitchem Yes. Right.

Tom Winterstein A preflight checklist, you know, in-flight emergency fuel. You have a checklist of the darn thing. And I sit right here. I keep my my training checklist right here. My death because I go through it every that’s my I call it my preflight trade checklist. Even though I’m not flying. That’s why it’s.

Andrew Mitchem On my wall. I’m looking at it right there. Same thing. Yeah.

Tom Winterstein Yeah. And and so that’s, that’s part of, of the, the mental performance environment that we create is, is you have to have, you know, not only a pre trade checklist but I do checklist for everything. Yeah. You know, and and just giving my technical background everything for me needs to be logical. Has to be and doesn’t have to be sequential.

Tom Winterstein But there has to be parameters around it. And then there’s you know my my work as a, as a pilot, you know, just translates beautifully into training because you really need you need to have a system, you know, you need to have these parameters. You need to have checklist. And whether it’s I even have a posting, a post trade, you know, checklist of what I do at the end of the day, you know, and and I have, you know, it’s more of a schedule than it is a checklist.

Tom Winterstein That’s, that’s governed by rules that during an intraday, you know, time period and you know the you it’s the New York Stock Exchange is open 9:30 a.m. to 4 p.m.. But that doesn’t mean I’m sitting in front of my computer the entire time. And so I’ll use analogies that a lot of people are probably more familiar with if they haven’t flown a helicopter or a plane.

Tom Winterstein And I’ll ask them to say, you know, have you ever or do you now go to the gym, the work out, you know, you mentioned launch the hearts and they’re like, oh yeah, I work out three times a week. And while I’m like, what did you do? You go to the gym at 930 and then leave at four.

Tom Winterstein Oh no, no, I go there, I do my routine and I’m done in an hour. I’m like, well, you can do the same thing with trading.

Andrew Mitchem That’s exactly right.

Tom Winterstein You can show up to the markets and get your work done in an hour or two, and then be done. Yeah. Even though just because the market’s open 23 hours a day, you know, five days a week doesn’t mean you have to be in a trade just because price is moving regardless of what you’re trading.

Andrew looking at D1 charts in a few minutes.

Andrew Mitchem That’s interesting because, you know, as we’re talking as we’re recording this, it’s 430 now PM New York time, and in half an hour we’ll be looking at daily charts because obviously they in the forex market, they change over at 5 p.m.. I’ve already been through the daily charts before talking to you, so I know already there’s only one trade that I’m looking at taking right now because of there were gaps yesterday at the beginning, but I already know up here mentally and everything else.

Andrew Mitchem I’m prepared for that one trade providing in half an hour it closes correctly. I already know what I’m doing. Place the trade, let the trade do its thing. I’ve got the risk set. I know it’s x percent of my account. If it goes against me, I know the profit target and it becomes. In this case, I think it’s about 2.8 to 1 reward to risk.

Andrew Mitchem And I will leave the trade to do its thing. And I find that so many people want to fiddle with trades, they want to interfere or, they, they don’t understand when to trade, and they are simply because I’m on the charts, like right now, you know, I put the kids to bed or the, the program on TV’s finished.

Andrew Mitchem Whatever it is, they go to their computer and they go, I’m finding a trade right now rather than the other way round. It’s like the market’s presenting me with a trade. Now I take the trade.

Tom Winterstein Right, right. Well, I think, you know, a lot of traders, they realize that discipline matters. But what they don’t realize is discipline fails when they’re forced to make too many decisions in real time.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah yeah. That’s right.

Tom Winterstein You’ve already got all your decisions made is.

Andrew Mitchem Done I know.

Tom Winterstein Yeah, but but the majority of people that you and I probably both say don’t do that. Right. And that that’s one of the biggest downfalls is, you know, they don’t have an environment that sets them up for success. Yeah.

Andrew Mitchem So in summary then, Tom, what can someone who’s watching or listening to this do in terms of checklists showing up at the right time each day or the same time, depending on the strategy? What kind of like sort of tips can you give someone of what they should be looking at?

Tom Winterstein Yeah, so so really they, you know, in addition to having a strategy as they need to immerse themselves into a performance execution environment, you know, regardless of of whose it is or where it is, but without, you know, a performance environment to immerse themselves in, which is going to have things like, you know, trading rules, the pre trade checklists, like we talked about, you know, and just some general awareness around human behavior.

Tom Winterstein And we talked about the identity gap or how you resonate. You’re only as good as your last trade. And you know that that types of things and just how the human mind can really sabotage and show up in the markets because, you know, you know, you and I have seen those traders that and they, they, they bought and all of a sudden the market dropped significantly.

Tom Winterstein You know, they’re just doing and they can’t they think that the market’s out to get them. And that’s a sure sign of of not being prepared and not being immersed in a, you know, in an environment that set up for success from from a performance standpoint.

People need support and community.

Andrew Mitchem Interesting. I’ve just written a word down as you were talking there and, and I wrote down support. And the reason I wrote that down is at the end of last year, at the end of 2025, I sent out a survey to non clients. A lot of people and a lot of people filled it in. What surprised me is that one of the biggest things that most people said they were missing was support and community and help.

Andrew Mitchem And I think back to when I started back in the days of dial up internet, you know, and probably you might have been the same nobody was there to help you if you said you were a trader. People kind of looked at you like, why don’t you go get a real job or, you know, and and so there was no one to talk to, no one to consult.

Andrew Mitchem Forums are generally dominated by the wrong type of people, who don’t really know about trading, but they’re very good at typing.

Tom Winterstein Right, right.

Andrew Mitchem Regulation. And so again, I think that’s an important aspect of a community of or to be able to contact someone. Do you find that as well people are lacking that. And when they have it, it’s a crucial aspect of their their learning curve.

Tom Winterstein Oh, I mean, absolutely. When you look at at a trader, that’s an isolation versus in a performance environment, you know, a performance environment is going to include these singular, you know, routines, feedback, accountability, stuff like that. But isolation is one of the most expensive hidden costs for traders. You know, when it boils right down to it. And so your survey is spot on.

Tom Winterstein And and I’m sure that, you know, the yeah, the research and responses that you got would support those statements that. Yes.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah.

Tom Winterstein You know, performance environment can amplify your success. Whereas trading in isolation can mute your success.

Andrew Mitchem Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. And that’s what we were finding. So Tom, how can someone contact you? How can someone find you if they would like to make contact with you?

Tom Winterstein Yeah. So. So we’re on the web. We’re at stock chart pros.com. You know, it can be a mouthful, but if you find us, it is, stock chart pros.com. And, you know, in addition to, you know, the price action courses that we have the biggest thing and that you know my push has been around you know, the whole patent pending neuro trading method is to build a performance environment because most traders have an execution gap and most people, they don’t realize they have that gap, or if they realize, hey, I’ve got a performance execution gap, they don’t know how to fix it.

Tom Winterstein And so that’s that’s what we provide is, is a system, an environment and a place, you know, in an environment where traders can succeed and we see all different walks of life. You know, they’re not just US based traders. You know, we have traders from all over the world that trade all kinds of different things. Many of them come to us with their strategy and edge, and they know that it works.

Tom Winterstein But what they can’t do is perform it consistently.

Andrew Mitchem Interesting. Yeah, yeah. That’s fascinating. Well, Tom, thank you so much for being here. It’s really interesting speaking with another experienced trader and someone that puts such a high, you know, influence on the mental aspect of it and low risk and understanding what you’re doing. And showing up consistently. Like you said, we’ve both been through the ups and downs of trading.

Andrew Mitchem We both made many mistakes over the years, and we’re both here to be able to. I suppose, pass on that knowledge and help people who want to help themselves to become better traders. So thank you so much for being here. I really enjoyed, the chat with you.