<div>The White House leaks may be more contained in Trump 2.0, but the slavish loyalists who POTUS has surrounded himself with do nothing to keep him within the bounds of the law, ethics, or decorum. So in this round, the chaos is more consequential for the country. Meanwhile, the administration may be prepping to bury the Epstein files. Plus, the bitterness and resentment that drives Trump, the war on truth is winning, and the Bidens' animosity toward Obama. 

<strong>ABC's Jon Karl</strong> joins Tim Miller.

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<li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/786893/retribution-by-jonathan-karl/">Jon's new book, "Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America"</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bit.ly/bulwarkaudio">TAKE THE SURVEY</a></li>
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