John welcomes back Phil Hay (Destroyer, The Invitation) to ask, how do you get a movie made with independent financing? They look at how indie movies get made, where you get the money, deciding when to go indie, and whether streamers complicate the picture. We also follow up on testing movies with focus groups and answer listener questions on how to navigate the editing room, daily routines, and what to do when your story has too many themes. In our bonus segment for premium members, we look back on what Phil learned about D&D from his documentary The Dungeon Masters. Links: <ul> <li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006534/">Phil Hay</a></li> <li>Scriptnotes <a href= "https://johnaugust.com/2016/the-invitation-and-requels">Episode 244</a>, <a href= "https://johnaugust.com/2018/the-second-draft">Episode 377</a>, and <a href= "https://johnaugust.com/2021/making-tv-like-features-but-better">Episode 505</a></li> <li><a href="https://vimeo.com/435623634">The Dungeon Masters</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU3Pk6oDNRU">The Answering Machine Meltdown</a> from Swingers</li> <li><a href= "https://johnaugust.com/2020/getting-things-done-in-a-pandemic">John's daily to-do template</a></li> <li>Pamela Ribon's <a href="https://www.oneactfilm.com/">One Act</a> documentary</li> <li><a href= "https://shop.peteyswebsite.com/collections/the-yips?zCountry=US">Petey USA's The Yips</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.koxyradiooxy.com/">KOXY College Radio</a></li> <li><a href="https://scriptnotesbook.com/">Get your copy of the Scriptnotes book!</a></li> <li><a href= "https://cottonbureau.com/people/scriptnotes-podcast">Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt!</a></li> <li><a href="https://blog.quoteunquoteapps.com/">Check out the Inneresting Newsletter</a></li> <li><a href="https://scriptnotes.supportingcast.fm/">Become a Scriptnotes Premium member</a>, or <a href= "https://scriptnotes.supportingcast.fm/gifts">gift a subscription</a></li> <li>Subscribe to Scriptnotes on <a href= "https://www.youtube.com/@ScriptnotesPodcast">YouTube</a></li> <li>Follow Scriptnotes on <a href= "https://www.instagram.com/scriptnotespodcast/">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@scriptnotespod">TikTok</a></li> <li>John August on <a href= "https://bsky.app/profile/johnaugust.bsky.social">Bluesky</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/johnaugust/?hl=en">Instagram</a></li> <li><a href= "http://johnaugust.com/2013/scriptnotes-the-outros">Outro</a> by Craig Good (<a href="http://johnaugust.com/2014/outros-needed">send us yours!</a>)</li> <li>Scriptnotes is produced by <a href= "https://www.drewmarquardt.com/">Drew Marquardt</a> and edited by <a href="https://www.matthewchilelli.com/">Matthew Chilelli</a>.</li> </ul> Email us at ask@johnaugust.com You can download the episode <a href= "http://traffic.libsyn.com/scriptnotes/737standard.mp3">here</a>.

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