Kurt Francom, the executive director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on the challenges and responsibilities of leading a nonprofit organization within the Latter-day Saint community. He reflects on the need for support, the complexities of church culture, and the importance of individual leadership in building the Kingdom of God.

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<a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank">Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community</a>
<h2>Links</h2>
<a href="https://leadingsaints.org/im-not-the-gatekeeper-im-the-welcoming-committee-an-interview-with-kurt-brown/" target="_blank">“I’m Not the Gatekeeper, I’m the Welcoming Committee” | An Interview with Kurt Brown</a>
<a href="https://leadingsaints.org/being-an-advocate-for-those-you-lead-an-interview-with-rob-ferrell-rebroadcast/" target="_blank">Being an Advocate for Those You Lead | An Interview with Robert Ferrell</a>
<a href="https://leadingsaints.org/rallying-the-ward-around-sacrament-meeting-a-how-i-lead-interview-with-ryan-webb/" target="_blank">Rallying the Ward Around Sacrament Meeting | A How I Lead Interview with Ryan Webb</a>
<a href="https://leadingsaints.org/getting-the-youth-to-do-hard-things-a-how-i-lead-interview-with-tanner-pursley/" target="_blank">Getting the Youth to Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Tanner Pursley</a>
<a href="https://leadingsaints.org/young-men-can-do-hard-things-a-how-i-lead-interview-with-skylar-haws/" target="_blank">Young Men Can Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Skylar Haws</a>
<a href="http://leadingsaints.org/zion" target="_blank">Zion Lab: LeadingSaints.org/Zion</a>
<a href="https://leadingsaints.org/zion" target="_blank">Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community</a>
<h2>Highlights</h2>
Funding Challenges: Kurt discusses the difficulties of securing funding for Leading Saints, emphasizing the need for both small and large donations to sustain the organization’s mission.
Cultural Issues in the Church: He highlights the complexities of church culture, including the struggles of church leaders and members with faith crises, LGBT issues, and the need for a supportive community.
The Role of Individual Leadership: Kurt stresses that effective leadership is crucial for fostering a positive church culture, which can help individuals navigate their faith journeys and challenges.
Transformational Experiences: He believes that rather than providing formal training, Leading Saints focuses on creating transformational experiences that empower individuals to lead and make a difference in their communities.
Call to Action: Kurt invites listeners to engage with Leading Saints through initiatives like Zion Lab and becoming Zion Builders, emphasizing the collective effort needed to build Zion.
<h3>Leadership Applications</h3>
Encouraging Community Support: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster a culture of support by actively seeking and encouraging contributions from their communities, similar to how fans rally around a sports team.
Promoting Individual Initiative: Leaders should empower members to take initiative in their callings and personal faith journeys, recognizing that everyone can contribute to building the Kingdom of God, regardless of their formal position.
Creating Transformational Opportunities: Leaders can focus on providing experiences that inspire and uplift their congregations, rather than relying solely on traditional training methods, to cultivate a more engaged and resilient community.
00:01:08 &#8211; The Journey of Leading Saints
00:02:25 &#8211; The Role of an Executive Director
00:04:14 &#8211; The Need for Funding
00:05:57 &#8211; Articulating the Problem in Church Leadership
00:07:34 &#8211; The Complexity of Church Culture
00:09:11 &#8211; The Importance of Individual Action
00:10:51 &#8211; The Law of Consecration
00:12:19 &#8211; Building Zion and Community
00:14:10 &#8211; Connection to BYU Football
00:16:20 &#8211; Community Support for Leaders
00:17:01 &#8211; The Call for Support and Funding
00:19:14 &#8211; The Role of Leading Saints in Cultural Issues
00:21:23 &#8211; Transformational Experiences and Leadership
00:23:12 &#8211; Call to Action: Join the Zion Lab
00:25:00 &#8211; Becoming a Zion Builder
00:26:25 &#8211; Sponsoring Others and Seeking Larger Donors
00:29:11 &#8211; The Impact of Positive Culture in the Church

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The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints&#8217; mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank">Zion Lab community</a>. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/">LeadingSaints.org</a>.
Past guests include <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/girls-camp-grace-and-the-bishops-office-an-interview-with-emily-belle-freeman/">Emily Belle Freeman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/putting-jesus-at-the-center-of-your-ward-an-interview-with-david-butler/">David Butler</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-art-of-teaching-an-interview-with-hank-smith/">Hank Smith</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-bishop-an-interview-with-john-bytheway/">John Bytheway</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/connecting-the-general-with-the-individual-an-interview-with-reyna-and-elena-aburto/">Reyna and Elena Aburto</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-to-do-when-the-bishop-is-an-accidental-diminisher-an-interview-with-liz-wiseman/">Liz Wiseman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-with-trust-an-interview-with-stephen-m-r-covey/">Stephen M. R. Covey</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-science-of-scaling-your-ward-an-interview-with-benjamin-hardy/">Benjamin Hardy</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-president-of-byu-idaho-an-interview-with-elder-alvin-f-meredith-iii/">Elder Alvin F. Meredith III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-general-relief-society-president-an-interview-with-julie-beck/">Julie Beck</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-grace-of-jesus-christ-in-leadership-an-interview-with-brad-wilcox/">Brad Wilcox</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/mental-health-youth-an-interview-with-jody-moore/">Jody Moore</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/unhealthy-ways-we-seek-validation-as-leaders-an-interview-with-tony-overbay/">Tony Overbay</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-a-seventy-an-interview-with-elder-john-h-groberg/">John H. Groberg</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/teach-them-their-identity-an-interview-with-elaine-dalton/">Elaine Dalton</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/a-case-for-the-book-of-mormon-an-interview-with-tad-r-callister/">Tad R. Callister</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-people-to-do-and-be-like-jesus-christ-an-interview-with-lynn-g-robbins/">Lynn G. Robbins</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/principles-of-leadership-an-interview-with-j-devn-cornish/">J. Devn Cornish</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/he-will-magnify-your-efforts-an-interview-with-bonnie-oscarson/">Bonnie Oscarson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/building-the-church-in-eastern-europe-an-interview-with-dennis-b-neuenschwander/">Dennis B. Neuenschwander</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-best-five-years-an-interview-with-kirby-heyborne/">Kirby Heyborne</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/nfl-leadership-at-church-an-interview-with-taysom-hill/">Taysom Hill</a>, Coaches <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-byu-womens-soccer-coach-an-interview-with-jennifer-rockwood/" target="_blank">Jennifer Rockwood</a> and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/from-byu-quarterback-to-stake-president-an-interview-with-brandon-doman/" target="_blank">Brandon Doman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/church-doctrine-policy-leadership-an-interview-with-anthony-sweat/">Anthony Sweat</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bearded-bishops-rated-r-movies-the-honor-code-an-interview-with-john-hilton-iii/">John Hilton III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-priesthood-church-leadership-an-interview-with-barbara-morgan-gardner/">Barbara Morgan Gardner</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/liberals-doctrine-apologetics-at-church-an-interview-with-blair-hodges/">Blair Hodges</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/disrupting-your-calling-whitney-johnson-rebroadcast/">Whitney Johnson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-every-leader-should-consider-about-community-in-their-ward-ryan-gottfredson-rebroadcast/">Ryan Gottfredson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/being-an-essentialism-bishop-greg-mckeown-rebroadcast/">Greg McKeown</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/why-god-calls-some-as-relief-society-presidents-and-others-as-cancer-survivors-an-interview-with-ganel-lyn-condie/">Ganel-Lyn Condie</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-doctrine-related-to-being-single-or-married-an-interview-with-michael-goodman/">Michael Goodman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-in-council-meetings-an-interview-with-wendy-ulrich/">Wendy Ulrich</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/listen-learn-and-love-lgbt-latter-day-saints-an-interview-with-richard-ostler/">Richard Ostler</a>, and many more in over 800 episodes.
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