Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.
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EPISODE LINKS:
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Telegram: <a href="https://telegram.org/">https://telegram.org/</a>
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) &#8211; Introduction
(02:46) &#8211; Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(11:29) &#8211; Philosophy of freedom
(14:37) &#8211; No alcohol
(22:42) &#8211; No phone
(28:38) &#8211; Discipline
(49:50) &#8211; Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
(1:05:12) &#8211; Arrest in France
(1:21:23) &#8211; Romanian elections
(1:32:18) &#8211; Power and corruption
(1:41:50) &#8211; Intense education
(1:53:51) &#8211; Nikolai Durov
(1:58:19) &#8211; Programming and video games
(2:02:33) &#8211; VK origins & engineering
(2:19:46) &#8211; Hiring a great team
(2:29:02) &#8211; Telegram engineering & design
(2:48:04) &#8211; Encryption
(2:53:01) &#8211; Open source
(2:57:48) &#8211; Edward Snowden
(3:00:20) &#8211; Intelligence agencies
(3:01:32) &#8211; Iran and Russia government pressure
(3:04:41) &#8211; Apple
(3:11:38) &#8211; Poisoning
(3:43:53) &#8211; Money
(3:52:45) &#8211; TON
(4:02:35) &#8211; Bitcoin
(4:05:34) &#8211; Two chairs dilemma
(4:12:14) &#8211; Children
(4:23:24) &#8211; Father
(4:27:55) &#8211; Quantum immortality
(4:34:27) &#8211; Kafka
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