Crypto’s bull run may be far from over, but the battleground is shifting. 
On this week’s Bits + Bips, Bill Barhydt of Abra and Robert Leshner of Superstate join Ram Ahluwalia and Steven Ehrlich to debate: 
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The current state of the markets with a looming government shutdown 
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SWIFT’s move to build on Linea, an Ethereum layer 2
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Hyperliquid vs Aster
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The future of perps vs. spot 
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Why some DATs are starting to look like grifts 
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Whether DeFi billionaires will ultimately eclipse their CeFi predecessors 
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Plus: Binance’s and Tether’s valuation, CZ as the entrepreneur of the decade, and why the industry may be entering an era of “perpification.”
Thank you to <a href="http://xapobank.com/unchained">Xapo</a> for sponsoring this episode!
Hosts:
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<a href="https://x.com/ramahluwalia">Ram Ahluwalia</a>, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida
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Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained
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Guests: 
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<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/billbar/">Bill Barhydt</a>, Founder and CEO of Abra
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<a href="https://x.com/rleshner">Robert Leshner</a>, Co-founder & CEO of Superstate

Links:
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Steve’s <a href="https://unchainedcrypto.com/this-dat-claims-it-raised-401-million-but-the-fresh-capital-is-only-13-7m/">story</a> on the DAT that claimed it raised much more than it actually did
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Timestamps:
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🎬0:00 Intro
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📈 3:26 Why Bill believes the bull run is far from over
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🧐 5:10 Why Ram is pushing back on market FUD
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🏛️ 9:10 Will a government shutdown impact markets?
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🌐 12:48 Why SWIFT building on Ethereum’s Linea layer 2 is such a big deal
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🏦 22:15 Whether it even matters if banks embrace crypto
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⚠️ 27:50 How one DAT may have been the “ultimate grift”
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⚔️ 35:58 Inside the DEX perps wars: Hyperliquid vs Aster
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👑 40:32 How valuable Binance and CZ really are to the industry
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🚀 50:39 What advantages make Hyperliquid stand out in the perp battle
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🤔 53:14 Why picking winners in trading isn’t so simple
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🔄 57:29 Winners in stablecoin race plus why perps are better than spot
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