Paris Marx is joined by Ketan Joshi to discuss how hyperscale data centers are fueling the consumption of more oil and gas, what that means for climate targets, and the insidious relationship between the tech and fossil fuel industries.
Ketan Joshi is a climate writer and data analyst based in Oslo working with climate and environmental groups.
Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/techwontsaveus">Patreon</a>.
The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.
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Ketan has a page on his website sharing <a href="https://ketanjoshi.co/data-sharing/">fascinating data sets</a>.
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The <a href="https://www.iea.org/reports/world-energy-outlook-2025">International Energy Agency</a> World Energy Outlook report was just released for this year.
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xAI was caught using enough <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/09/elon-musk-xai-memphis">illegal methane generators</a> to power a city at a facility that powers Grok.
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Here is an in-depth look behind the scenes at the construction of the <a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/memphis-xai-colossus-elon-musk-chamber-messaging">new data center from xAI</a>, including the purchasing of a power plant just across the state line.
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Google's Chief of Investment loves Doug Burgum’s (Trump’s Secretary of the Interior) <a href="https://www.desmog.com/2025/08/19/google-president-praised-maga-speech-slamming-climate-extremist-agenda/">commitments to power AI growth with fossil fuels</a>.
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Microsoft has been investing in <a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5120581/three-mile-island-nuclear-power-plant-microsoft-ai">nuclear energy</a>.
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Learn more about the <a href="https://www.enabledemissions.com">Enabled Emissions Campaign</a>.
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Shout-out to the book <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/743569/empire-of-ai-by-karen-hao/">Empire of AI</a> by Karen Hao.
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