When she was 16, Pub Choir's Astrid Jorgensen wanted to be a nun. So how did she end up in pubs, night after night, teaching people to sing?For years, Astrid felt like she didn't belong to the world of music. But she found her way in, on her terms. Astrid was never going to be an elite Opera singer, but in rediscovering the joy of singing for the sake of it, she invited the world to sing along too.Astrid has fused her unique talents together to create Pub Choir — the largest choir in the world. She teaches everyday punters to sing a three-part harmony, where the audience becomes the performers.Yumi Stynes sits down with Astrid for a candid conversation about the messiness of life, how she found her voice and began singing to her own tune.What to listen to next: <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/ladies-we-need-to-talk/turia-pitt-is-a-selfish-woman/105981172" target="_blank">Turia Pitt is a selfish woman</a><a href="https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/ladies-we-need-to-talk/ladies-we-need-to-talk-anxiety-mental-health/105901168" target="_blank">Mental health: Anxiety and how to beat it</a><a href="https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/ladies-we-need-to-talk/endometriosis-ladies-we-need-to-talk/105802854" target="_blank">Will we ever have a cure for endometriosis?</a>You can binge more episodes of Ladies, We Need to Talk on the ABC listen app (in Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts.  What to read next:<a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-16/how-turia-pitts-body-image-changed-after-birth/105463742" target="_blank">How Turia Pitt's body image changed in motherhood</a><a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-28/loving-someone-with-an-addiction-or-dependence/105921866" target="_blank">What loving someone with an addiction or dependence can look like</a><a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-04/the-price-of-perfectionism-for-women/105585186" target="_blank">The dark side of being a perfectionist</a><a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-28/why-herpes-does-not-mean-the-end-of-your-sex-life/105693090" target="_blank">Why genital herpes does not mean the end of your sex life</a>This episode contains references to Pub Choir, Bulimia, Backstreet Boys, Cher, Sophie Ellis Bextor, Africa, Cranberries, Zombie, Dolores O’Riordan, Toto, Average at Best, music teacher, spiritual quest, religion, abusive teacher, music, audiation, sensory, senses, conducting, choir, crowd, stage.

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