Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude&#8217;s character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability.
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EPISODE LINKS:
Claude: <a href="https://claude.ai">https://claude.ai</a>
Anthropic&#8217;s X: <a href="https://x.com/AnthropicAI">https://x.com/AnthropicAI</a>
Anthropic&#8217;s Website: <a href="https://anthropic.com">https://anthropic.com</a>
Dario&#8217;s X: <a href="https://x.com/DarioAmodei">https://x.com/DarioAmodei</a>
Dario&#8217;s Website: <a href="https://darioamodei.com">https://darioamodei.com</a>
Machines of Loving Grace (Essay): <a href="https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace">https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace</a>
Chris&#8217;s X: <a href="https://x.com/ch402">https://x.com/ch402</a>
Chris&#8217;s Blog: <a href="https://colah.github.io">https://colah.github.io</a>
Amanda&#8217;s X: <a href="https://x.com/AmandaAskell">https://x.com/AmandaAskell</a>
Amanda&#8217;s Website: <a href="https://askell.io">https://askell.io</a>
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) &#8211; Introduction
(10:19) &#8211; Scaling laws
(19:25) &#8211; Limits of LLM scaling
(27:51) &#8211; Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta
(33:14) &#8211; Claude
(36:50) &#8211; Opus 3.5
(41:36) &#8211; Sonnet 3.5
(44:56) &#8211; Claude 4.0
(49:07) &#8211; Criticism of Claude
(1:01:54) &#8211; AI Safety Levels
(1:12:42) &#8211; ASL-3 and ASL-4
(1:16:46) &#8211; Computer use
(1:26:41) &#8211; Government regulation of AI
(1:45:30) &#8211; Hiring a great team
(1:54:19) &#8211; Post-training
(1:59:45) &#8211; Constitutional AI
(2:05:11) &#8211; Machines of Loving Grace
(2:24:17) &#8211; AGI timeline
(2:36:52) &#8211; Programming
(2:43:52) &#8211; Meaning of life
(2:49:58) &#8211; Amanda Askell &#8211; Philosophy
(2:52:26) &#8211; Programming advice for non-technical people
(2:56:15) &#8211; Talking to Claude
(3:12:47) &#8211; Prompt engineering
(3:21:21) &#8211; Post-training
(3:26:00) &#8211; Constitutional AI
(3:30:53) &#8211; System prompts
(3:37:00) &#8211; Is Claude getting dumber?
(3:49:02) &#8211; Character training
(3:50:01) &#8211; Nature of truth
(3:54:38) &#8211; Optimal rate of failure
(4:01:49) &#8211; AI consciousness
(4:16:20) &#8211; AGI
(4:24:58) &#8211; Chris Olah &#8211; Mechanistic Interpretability
(4:29:49) &#8211; Features, Circuits, Universality
(4:47:23) &#8211; Superposition
(4:58:22) &#8211; Monosemanticity
(5:05:14) &#8211; Scaling Monosemanticity
(5:14:02) &#8211; Macroscopic behavior of neural networks
(5:18:56) &#8211; Beauty of neural networks

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