On this classic episode from the archives, Ryan is joined by researcher and psionics experimenter Susan Demeter-St. Clair to explore the connection between UFO encounters, consciousness, and the paranormal. Drawing from her own close encounter and decades of research into telepathy, symbolism, and “high strangeness,” Susan challenges the traditional nuts-and-bolts view of UFOs. From shared psychic experiences to UFO events linked to poltergeist activity, this conversation asks a provocative question: if UFOs are interacting directly with the human mind, what are they trying to communicate?

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