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Ben Lindbergh and Meg Rowley banter about MLB franchise appreciation, Stat Blast about what the resurgence of three-inning saves and the expanding distribution of saves say about pitcher usage, and learn about a new baseball injury. Then (43:28) they bring on Lindsay Imber of Close Call Sports and the official scorer behind the MLB Scoring Changes account to explain the &#8220;fourth-out&#8221; rule that confused fans and players this week and to pick nits with the MLB rulebook. Finally (1:30:50), Ben brings back former major leaguer <a href="https://www.fangraphs.com/players/john-poff/1010411/stats/batting" target="_blank">John Poff</a> to read from his new book, reflect on his use of &#8220;greenies&#8221; and players&#8217; political differences, and share a new <a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/oldtime-baseball-part-10" target="_blank">fundraising initiative</a> for the Standing Rock Reservation, followed (2:13:45) by a few updates. 
Audio&nbsp;intro: The Spaghettis, &#8220;<a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KIeoBr9umeDgG2NCtot-YRv1emuJCNFT/view?usp=drive_link" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Effectively Wild Theme</a>&#8221;
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<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7505191/2026/08/11/yankees-investment-apollo-private-equity/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Yankees &#8220;capital infusion&#8221;</a>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7506902/2026/08/12/yankees-apollo-private-equity-record-valuation/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to story about Yankees valuation</a>
<a href="https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/49590362/josh-kushner-bob-iger-buy-lakers-12b" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to story about Lakers sale</a>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7506067/2026/08/11/mlb-san-diego-padres-sale/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to impending Padres sale</a>
<a href="https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/07/fifa-josh-kushner-thrive-capital-infantino-trump/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to FIFA takeover attempt</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianni_Infantino" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Infantino wiki</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq6pyb8jcUA" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Littleton save</a>
<a href="https://www.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/save" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to save rule</a>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7507490/2026/08/12/pope-hat-night-chicago-white-sox-sellout/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to pope hat giveaway</a>
<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/rangersmediabot.bsky.social/post/3msk2r4kegb2h" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Latz stats</a>
<a href="https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/sharing/XXUWB" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Atlanta&#8217;s three-out savers</a>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ObSjLjVQCW0kJP7UNHus1Ba4VLKrB05lG1R0f6iIPLo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to data on three-out saves</a>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rPyEFPWlN4mQ0uW7x9vEOVlmCqwo_cg2ocaVgaEavhU/edit?gid=1561878218#gid=1561878218" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to data on save-getters by season</a>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n7icNZ7TZieTQUsUQzi3FM06Vw9jH2yWm-pvJMf-YWA/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to multi-inning RP outings data</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herfindahl%E2%80%93Hirschman_index" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Herfindahl–Hirschman index wiki</a>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVK-tqluX6b38rlIP9Uh6psz72OKK_LeflbHUvccW5A/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to annual HHI data</a>
<a href="https://imgur.com/4Ib42He" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to HHI graph</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_(quantum_mechanics)#Inverse_Participation_Ratio_(IPR)" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Inverse Participation Ratio</a>
<a href="https://tht.fangraphs.com/down-with-the-three-inning-save/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to THT on three-inning saves</a>
<a href="https://www.sbnation.com/2011/5/25/2189598/mlb-three-inning-save-scott-atchison-terry-francona-tony-la-russa" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to SB Nation on three-inning saves</a>
<a href="https://medium.com/@liamhanley/bryse-wilson-and-the-novelty-of-the-three-inning-save-9ef433f6bb93" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Medium post on three-inning saves</a>
<a href="https://www.wsj.com/sports/baseball/baseball-closers-are-on-the-verge-of-extinction-d763215e" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to WSJ closers story</a>
<a href="https://www.theringer.com/2017/05/01/mlb/2017-mlb-april-bullpen-results-is-the-save-slipping-ee5c33b343bf" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Ben on saves slipping in 2017</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Betteridge&#8217;s law wiki</a>
<a href="https://phys.org/news/2026-05-birds-extinct-parakeet-lifeline-randy.html" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to parakeet bounceback news</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Goodhart&#8217;s law wiki</a>
<a href="https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2026&month=0&season1=2026&ind=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&team=0%2Css&stats=sta" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to league SP splits</a>
<a href="https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2026&month=0&season1=2026&ind=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&team=0%2Css&stats=rel" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to league RP splits</a>
<a href="https://blogs.fangraphs.com/they-dont-make-barrels-like-they-used-to/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to FG post on Goodhart&#8217;s law</a>
<a href="https://blogs.fangraphs.com/they-dont-make-pitch-models-like-they-used-to/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to other FG post on Goodhart&#8217;s law</a>
<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/keeganmatheson.bsky.social/post/3msqx7ntyrs2h" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Arrigheti report</a>
<a href="https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-get-clarity-about-spencer-arrighetti-foot-injury/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to more on Arrigheti</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton%27s_neuroma" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Morton&#8217;s neuroma wiki</a>
<a href="https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-billings-gazette/203719841/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Morton&#8217;s neuroma causes</a>
<a href="https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mortons-neuroma/symptoms-causes/syc-20351935" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Mayo Clinic on Morton&#8217;s neuroma</a>
<a href="https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15118-mortons-neuroma" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to more on Morton&#8217;s neuroma</a>
<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7211826/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to even more on Morton&#8217;s neuroma</a>
<a href="https://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-playoffs-blue-jays-rangers-alds-game-5-seventh-inning-oral-history/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Ben on the 2015 ALDS game</a>
<a href="https://www.theringer.com/2018/05/08/mlb/four-ball-non-walk-ian-kinsler" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Ben on confused counts</a>
<a href="https://x.com/ScoringChanges" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to @ScoringChanges</a>
<a href="https://x.com/ScoringChanges/status/2086992601379635643" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to @ScoringChanges fourth-out tweet</a>
<a href="https://x.com/CloseCallSports" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to @CloseCallSports</a>
<a href="https://www.closecallsports.com/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Close Call Sports website</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@CloseCallSports/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Close Call Sports YouTube channel</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsay_Imber" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Lindsay wiki</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypv15fLh5dQ" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Lindsay&#8217;s fourth-out video</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDzySgmeX6o" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Lindsay&#8217;s Sale video</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHNf1jEDPx0" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Lindsay&#8217;s Wheeler video</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to fourth out wiki</a>
<a href="https://www.mlb.com/news/blue-jays-red-sox-delayed-for-rule-check" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to fourth-out story 1</a>
<a href="https://www.mlb.com/news/blue-jays-red-sox-4th-out-rule-revisited" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to fourth-out story 2</a>
<a href="https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-elusive-fourth-out-what-teams-dont-know-will-bite-them/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to SABR on fourth outs</a>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7507448/2026/08/12/mlb-rule-red-sox-blue-jays-confusion/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to The Athletic fourth-out explainer</a>
<a href="https://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/4/2679318/gifs-20-16" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Bois on balks</a>
<a href="https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/21515/pebble-hunting-the-balk-the-black-sheep-of-the-baseball-rulebook/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Sam on balks</a>
<a href="https://xkcd.com/2501/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to xkcd comic</a>
<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/keeganmatheson.bsky.social/post/3msthd44d4c25" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Schneider quote</a>
<a href="https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/strike-four-9798765180778/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Strike Four</a>
<a href="https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1349-wonder-hamster/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Poff Stat Blast</a>
<a href="https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1739-poff-piece/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to first Poff appearance</a>
<a href="https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1860-start-them-young/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to second Poff appearance</a>
<a href="https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-2373-the-ballpark-panopticon/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Halls of Fame discussion</a>
<a href="https://www.hancockhof.com/hof-bios/john-poff" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Poff&#8217;s first Hall of Fame</a>
<a href="https://www.milb.com/news/2025-okc-hall-of-fame-inductees" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Poff&#8217;s second Hall of Fame</a>
<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/out-of-my-life-and-two-visions-john-poff/5236c98a2c2bc85f" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Poff&#8217;s book</a>
<a href="https://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor7.shtml" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Carlin routine</a>
<a href="https://effectivelywild.fandom.com/wiki/Baseball_exceptionalism" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to baseball exceptionalism wiki</a>
<a href="https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/4740/under-the-knife-amphetamines-and-baseball/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to greenies info</a>
<a href="https://www.theringer.com/2018/09/28/mlb/mark-mcgwire-sammy-sosa-steroid-era-home-run-chase" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Ben on PEDs and the ball</a>
<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47244/buffalo-bill-s" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to &#8220;Buffalo Bill &#8216;s&#8221; poem</a>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_Rock_Sioux_Reservation" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Standing Rock wiki</a>
<a href="https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/gilbertiii-killsprettyenemy" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Gilbert Kills Pretty Enemy art</a>
<a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/oldtime-baseball-part-10" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to John&#8217;s fundraiser</a>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7138069/2026/03/23/max-scherzer-blue-jays-piano-thumb-injury/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Scherzer&#8217;s piano-playing</a>
<a href="https://www.mlb.com/news/ted-lasso-at-the-negro-leagues-baseball-museum" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Kendrick cameo story</a>
<a href="https://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=694973&b_hand=-1&gFilt=regular&pFilt=FA&time=game&minmax=ci&var=maxmph&s_type=2&startDate=03/30/2007&endDate=08/12/2026" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Skenes velo graph</a>
<a href="https://www.mlb.com/pirates/news/paul-skenes-exits-early-offense-quiet-in-pirates-loss-to-marlins" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Skenes game story</a>
<a href="https://www.liquid-iv.com/products/grillos-pickles-hydration-multiplier?g_acctid=758-869-0410&g_adgroupid=193419966383&g_adid=819641534051&g_adtype=search&g_campaign=Tin_Brand+-+HM+Flavors&g_campaignid=23649268481&g_keyword=liquid+iv+pickle+flavor&g_keywordid=kwd-2473498900719&g_network=g&utm_campaign=23649268481&utm_content=819641534051&utm_term=193419966383&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23649268481&gbraid=0AAAAADlzFY_S9pcJeOpQTr4TxAJPKq7Nx&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkOvTBhDgARIsAKUNyRuFgNR6p4A9bb7o7fVHmZ2d9Tm7Lgsqklxw40G7YFXbW0kcoz1YwroaAm8PEALw_wcB&Flavor=LIMITED+EDITION+Grillo%27s+Pickles%C2%AE&Size=10PK&one-time=43871114428452" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Liquid I.V. powder</a>
<a href="https://www.mlb.com/news/kumar-rocker-recalled-to-majors-delivers-scoreless-start" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Rocker pickle-juice game</a>
<a href="https://www.mlb.com/news/aaron-judge-giancarlo-stanton-change-offseason-workouts" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Stanton yoga report</a>
<a href="https://x.com/KeithFoulke/status/2014096261612200112" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Foulke wife tweet</a>
<a href="https://www.sj-r.com/story/sports/mlb/2026/08/11/keith-foulke-fired-wpbl-boston-hunters-3-games/91246841007/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Link to Foulke firing report</a>

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