Murray Hill's character on HBO’s Somebody Somewhere, Fred Rococo, is a soil scientist trans man who hosts a queer cabaret. “[He] is me dialed down to like a 2,” he tells Terry Gross. In real life, Murray has hosted drag king shows, queer cabarets, burlesque shows and performed his own act. He spoke with Terry Gross about finding and building his community, forgiveness, and how anti-trans rhetoric and policy has affected him. His new memoir is Showbiz! My Life as a Middle-Aged Man. Subscribe to our free weekly <a href="https://support.whyy.org/page/39306/subscribe/1"target="_blank" >newsletter</a> Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/nprfreshair/"target="_blank" >Instagram</a> Subscribe to our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@thisisfreshair"target="_blank" >YouTube channel</a> Check out the <a href="https://freshairarchive.org/"target="_blank" >Fresh Air Archives</a> See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. <a href="https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy">NPR Privacy Policy</a>

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