Self-driving cars are here. But what kind of future will they bring: safe roads and extra time or dystopian traffic jams? My guest this week is Andrew Miller, who writes about self-driving cars and transportation policy. I love the open road, so I press him on what’s lost when we give away driving to the robots.
<ul>
 <li>0:00 - Intro</li>
 <li>01:27 - The sales pitch for Waymo, Tesla, and Zoox </li>
 <li>12:24 - How autonomous are autonomous cars? </li>
 <li>20:14 - Liability: Who is responsible for an accident?</li>
 <li>31:56 - Political obstacles: Spying, data, labor</li>
 <li>38:53 - 20:35: The good and bad scenarios</li>
 <li>48:25 - Are we losing the “romance of the road”?</li>
</ul>
(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)
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