The Musk v. OpenAI trial continues, which means so do the allegations and leaks surrounding some of the most influential people in tech. Nilay and David recount the most interesting and entertaining moments from the courtroom this week, before digging into what we've learned about when Sam Altman was fired. After that, the hosts discuss OpenAI's apparent plans to build a phone, which seem utterly necessary and utterly doomed, along with the new Fitbit Air and a truly strange new home robot. Finally, in the lightning round, it's time for the Hype Desk, Brendan Carr is a Dummy, the Chinese company that wants to make everything, and the next big rebrand for xAI.
Further reading:
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 <li><a href="https://x.com/TechEmails/status/2052160625586090215">⁠Internal Tech Emails on X: "Sam Altman texts Mira Murat⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/925508/we-are-going-through-the-removal-of-sam-altman-from-openai-in-detail">⁠We are going through the removal of Sam Altman from OpenAI in detail. ⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/925507/toner-is-relating-how-sam-altmans-firing-happened">⁠Toner is relating how Sam Altman’s firing happened. ⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/925501/toner-says-she-found-out-about-chatgpt-by-seeing-screenshots-on-twitter">⁠Toner says she found out about ChatGPT by seeing screenshots on Twitter. ⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/925291/zilis-sent-altman-a-text-message-of-support-after-his-2023-ouster">⁠Zilis sent Altman a text message of support after his 2023 ouster. ⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/925458/google-health-fitbit-air-ai-coaching-wearables-fitness-trackers">⁠Google’s taking a big swing at AI health with the Fitbit Air⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/924063/openai-phone-rumors-2027-ming-chi-kuo">⁠OpenAI is reportedly launching a phone for ChatGPT ⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/922947/roomba-creator-new-robot-familiar-machines-magic-ai-launch">⁠The creator of Roomba is back with a furry robot companion ⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/922511/inside-dreames-wild-launch-event-dreame-next-2026">⁠Inside Dreame’s wild launch event — packed with products no one can buy⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/922246/dreame-next-smartphones-aurora-lux-nex-modular">⁠Dreame — the vacuum company — just ‘launched’ its own phones | The Verge⁠</a></li>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/921204/dreame-ev-car-rocket-boosted-zero-sixty-reality">⁠Dreame’s rocket-powered car can do 0–60 in 0.9 seconds because you can just say things now⁠</a></li>
</ul>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/923839/a-foldable-iphone-dummy-on-video">⁠A foldable iPhone dummy — on video. ⁠</a></li>
</ul>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/924706/apple-iphone-siri-intelligence-class-action-lawsuit-settlement">⁠Apple agrees to pay iPhone owners $250 million for not delivering AI Siri ⁠</a></li>
</ul>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/politics/922813/doj-assault-on-the-nfl-could-end-the-packers-as-we-know-them">⁠DOJ assault on the NFL could end the Packers as we know them.⁠</a></li>
</ul>
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 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/924515/apple-intelligence-third-party-chatbot-extensions-ios-27">⁠Apple could let you pick a favorite AI model in iOS 27 ⁠</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/925469/xai-is-becoming-spacexai">⁠xAI is becoming SpaceXAI.⁠</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/games/924551/microsoft-xbox-ceo-copilot-ai-asha-sharma">⁠Microsoft gives up on Xbox Copilot AI ⁠</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/923908/microsoft-xbox-reorg-platform-changes">⁠Microsoft’s new Xbox shake-up is all about platform changes ⁠</a></li>
</ul>
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(Timestamps are approximate.)

00:00:00 Intro
00:02:00 Trial Discovery Era
00:06:00 Early OpenAI Origins
00:11:00 Elon Power Struggle
00:17:00 Altman Firing Texts
00:27:00 Why The Board Panicked
00:36:00 ChatGPT Phone Rumor
00:39:00 OpenAI Phone vs App Store
00:41:00 Why Apps Still Matter
00:44:00 Apple Siri Power Play
00:49:00 Apple Intelligence Lawsuit
00:53:00 Google Fitbit Air
00:57:00 Google Health Rebrand Backlash
01:01:00 Familiar Robot Pet Debate
01:10:00 Nintendo Star Fox Returns
01:12:00 Nintendo Weirdness Wins
01:15:00 Furry Overlap Discourse
01:16:00 Zach Gardening Surprise
01:21:00 Brendan Carr Broadband Fight
01:23:00 NFL Antitrust And Packers
01:29:00 Dreame Vaporware Parade
01:32:00 Rocket Car Reality Check
01:34:00 Elon Corporate Matryoshka
01:36:00 Xbox Ditches Copilot
01:37:00 Wrap Up And Schedule Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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