In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin sits down with meditation teacher and social entrepreneur Dr. Fleet Maull to explore how Neuro-Somatic Mindfulness (NSM) intersects with psychedelic therapy. Fleet shares his journey from a 14-year federal prison sentence—where he founded the first prison hospice program and led daily meditation groups—to developing NSM, a radically embodied, neuroscience- and trauma-informed approach to practice. Find full show notes and links here: <a href= "https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-324/?ref=278">https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-324/?ref=278</a>  He explains how NSM trains five key brain networks, why embodiment quiets a noisy mind more reliably than “thinking about” the breath, and how pairing NSM with ketamine or psilocybin can help shift insights from state to trait. The conversation offers a grounded roadmap for practitioners and seekers who want deeper stability, safety, and integration in expanded-state work. Fleet Maull, PhD, CMT-P is an author, meditation teacher, mindset coach, and social entrepreneur working at the intersection of personal and social transformation. He is the founder & CEO of Heart Mind Institute, which integrates Western science with contemplative wisdom across trauma healing, resilience, psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, and conscious entrepreneurship. While serving a 14-year federal sentence (1985–1999), he founded Prison Mindfulness Institute and National Prison Hospice Association, catalyzing national movements in contemplative rehabilitation and end-of-life care. A senior Dharma teacher in Tibetan Buddhism and a Zen Roshi, Dr. Maull developed Neuro-Somatic Mindfulness (NSM), a deeply embodied, trauma-informed practice for healing and awakening. *This October 14–19, 2025, Paul will also co-host Heart Mind Institute’s free online <a href= "https://thethirdwave.co/wp/?bwfan-link-trigger=9662151721791b9c6c99a7d8adb5929c"> Microdosing & Psychedelic Retreats Summit</a>, featuring 35+ global leaders including Paul Stamets, Deepak Chopra, and James Fadiman. Register free via the links below. Highlights <ul> <li>Why embodiment beats “thinking about” the breath</li> <li>Prison as practice: hospice, service, and sobriety</li> <li>What is Neuro-Somatic Mindfulness (NSM)?</li> <li>DMN vs. task-positive network in practice</li> <li>Training five neural networks for resilience</li> <li>From state to trait: integration by design</li> <li>NSM with low-dose ketamine: retreat outcomes</li> <li>Rigidity, chaos, and the Goldilocks zone</li> </ul> Episode Links <ul> <li>FleetMaull.com: <a href= "https://www.fleetmaull.com/">https://www.fleetmaull.com/</a></li> <li>Heart Mind Institute: <a href= "https://www.heartmind.co/">https://www.heartmind.co/</a></li> <li>Microdosing & Psychedelic Retreats Summit (Free Registration):  <a href= "https://thethirdwave.co/wp/?bwfan-link-trigger=9662151721791b9c6c99a7d8adb5929c"> https://thethirdwave.co/wp/?bwfan-link-trigger=9662151721791b9c6c99a7d8adb5929c</a> </li> </ul> Episode Sponsors: <ul> <li>The <a href= "https://edu.psychedeliccoaching.institute/practitioner-certification-program/?ref=12&utm_source=shownotes&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=tw-podcast-ad">Practitioner Certification Program</a> by Third Wave’s Psychedelic Coaching Institute.</li> </ul> <ul> <li><a href= "https://goldenrulemushrooms.com/thirdwave/?utm_source=podcast-episode&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_campaign=2025-ad1"> Golden Rule Mushrooms</a> - Get a lifetime discount of 10% with code THIRDWAVE at checkout</li> </ul>

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