Tristan Harris, a technology ethicist and co-founder of the<a href="https://www.humanetech.com/"> Center for Humane Technology</a>, studies how the tech industry’s platforms have become extractive and controlling. Kara first interviewed him in 2017, and after he was featured in the 2020 Netflix documentary “The Social Dilemma,” his profile shot through the roof. Now he's featured in a new film called, <a href="https://www.focusfeatures.com/the-ai-doc-or-how-i-became-an-apocaloptimist">"The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist,"</a> which explores the promises and existential risks of AI. 

Tristan joins Kara to discuss how the current AI arms race is driven by the wrong incentives, and why that's leading us towards an "anti-human" future. He argues that the benefits and breakthroughs promised by AI are inseparable from profound risks, and calls for public pressure, regulation and global coordination to build a humane future with AI before it's too late. 

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