Things we talked about:<ul><li>Allowing ourselves to feel good when things actually go well</li><li>The synchronicity of things happening when they’re supposed to (and when you’re ready)</li><li>Defining success for ourselves (and it’s not always what we assume it might be)</li><li>How lockdown taught Katherine to create her own “sense of safety” following the success of her book, by creating courses to shore up her income</li><li>Finding ways to own your own story, message and brand</li><li>How Katherine’s approach to Instagram evolved from “sharing pictures” to “telling stories”</li><li>Katherine’s experience of coming back from “an anxious pattern of behaviour” around social media</li><li>The quiet activism in the premise of Katherine’s book, Wintering, which is all about periods of life in which we feel cut off from the rest of the world</li><li>Not always having to be “on” and “up.” As Katherine says, “The vision of us being always up discounts useful wonderful things like thinking, reflecting…”</li><li>How we’ve all learned things about ourselves during lockdown, and the way our priorities (and what we are willing to accept) have changed</li><li>Being diagnosed as autistic, quite late in life, allowed Katherine to make the personal changes she needed: “How to meet my own needs, rather than how to solve me”</li><li>The experience of living life as a neurodivergent person</li><li>Finding your right people online (if you lose followers after sharing your true self, then you’ve lost the right followers - you don’t want them)</li><li>And this piece of wisdom from Katherine, for anyone who identifies with our “neurodivergent” conversation: "Your identification is yours. It doesn’t need the approval of a doctor or your mum.”</li><li><a href="https://meandorla.co.uk/product/the-instaretreat">The Insta Retreat</a> - My tell all, best selling course for Instagram creatives and business owners.</li></ul>Where to find Katherine online:<ul><li>Katherine’s website, <a href="http://katherine-may.com/">katherine-may.com</a> [<a href="https://katherine-may.co.uk/">https://katherine-may.co.uk</a>] where you will also find her books</li><li>Katherine on Twitter: @_katherine_may_ [<a href="https://twitter.com/_katherine_may_">https://twitter.com/_katherine_may_</a>]</li><li>Katherine on Instagram: @katherinemay_ [<a href="https://www.instagram.com/katherinemay_/">https://www.instagram.com/katherinemay_/</a>]</li><li>Katherine’s podcast, The Wintering Sessions [<a href="https://katherine-may.co.uk/winteringsessions">https://katherine-may.co.uk/winteringsessions</a>]</li><li>The True Stories Writing School [<a href="https://www.truestorieswritingschool.com/">https://www.truestorieswritingschool.com</a>], home of Katherine’s online courses</li></ul>Books we mention in this episode:<ul><li>Wintering: the power of rest and retreat in difficult times [<a href="https://bookshop.org/books/wintering-the-power-of-rest-and-retreat-in-difficult-times/9780593189481">https://bookshop.org/books/wintering-the-power-of-rest-and-retreat-in-difficult-times/9780593189481</a>]</li><li>Electricity of Every Living Thing: a woman’s walk in the wild to find her way home [<a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/books/the-electricity-of-every-living-thing-a-woman-s-walk-in-the-wild-to-find-her-way-home/9781409172512">https://uk.bookshop.org/books/the-electricity-of-every-living-thing-a-woman-s-walk-in-the-wild-to-find-her-way-home/9781409172512</a>]</li><li>The 52 Seductions [<a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/books/the-52-seductions/9780755362530">https://uk.bookshop.org/books/the-52-seductions/9780755362530</a>]</li></ul>Where to find Sara<ul><li><a href="https://meandorla.co.uk">meandorla.co.uk</a></li><li>Instagram - <a href="https://www.instagram.com/me_and_orla/">@me_and_orla</a></li><li>My website designer - <a href="https://storiesstudio.co">stories studio</a></li></ul>

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