What exactly is the basis for democracy?Arguably Iiberalism, the belief that the government serves the people, is the stone on which modern democracy was founded. That notion is so ingrained in the US that we often forget that America could be governed any other way. But political philosopher John Gray believes that liberalism has been waning for a long, long time.He joins Sean to discuss the great liberal thinker Thomas Hobbes and America’s decades-long transition away from liberalism.Host: Sean Illing (<a href="https://x.com/seanilling?lang=en">@SeanIlling</a>) Guest: John Gray, political philosopher and author of <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374609733/thenewleviathans/">The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism </a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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