Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Michelle Li. Chris and Michelle delve into the transformative role of AI in social engineering, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls. Their conversation emphasizes the critical need for empathy in leadership and the importance of maintaining human-centric processes in an increasingly automated world. [Nov 17, 2025] 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - Intro Links: - <a href= "http://www.social-engineer.com/">Social-Engineer.com</a> - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Offensive Security Vishing Services - <a title= "Protected by Outlook: https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/. 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Click or tap to follow the link." href= "https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.social-engineer.com%2Foffensive-security%2Fsmishing%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca71f08b578cc4babb1d008de126bc0e2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638968451166308476%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DxB3413PhERNnL8jfS7bqn4SR2K8a91Xd1mgdp4I6uI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/</a> - Offensive Security Phishing Services - <a title= "Protected by Outlook: https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/. 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Click or tap to follow the link." href= "https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.social-engineer.com%2Foffensive-security%2Fcall-back-phishing%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca71f08b578cc4babb1d008de126bc0e2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638968451166328468%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=C%2FttWKvmWgXSpgeB9DJ29fBzVKATgcsEdrPPoZO26Uc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/</a> - Adversarial Simulation Services - <a title= "Protected by Outlook: https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/. Click or tap to follow the link." href= "https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.social-engineer.com%2Foffensive-security%2Fadversarial-simulation%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca71f08b578cc4babb1d008de126bc0e2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638968451166340710%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CqdidOE8%2FFrhVu3xln47vizcVspZBGqCExPImdQP3rs%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/</a> - Social Engineering Risk Assessments - <a title= "Protected by Outlook: https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/. Click or tap to follow the link." href= "https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.social-engineer.com%2Foffensive-security%2Fsocial-engineering-risk-assessment%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca71f08b578cc4babb1d008de126bc0e2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638968451166352842%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=daatLzSDbbo32qUTEfe7VDURN1oT4XE%2FsJ2nxH5LnjY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/</a> - <a href= "https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb">Social-Engineer channel on SLACK</a> - <a href="https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb"> https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb</a> - <a href="http://www.pro-rock.com/">CLUTCH</a> - <a href="http://www.pro-rock.com/"> http://www.pro-rock.com/</a> - <a href= "http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/">innocentlivesfoundation.org</a> - <a href="http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/"> http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/</a> 02:34 - Michelle Li Intro 03:14 - A Roundabout Journey 05:40 - The Importance of Legacy 07:26 - Using AI Honorably 10:00 - The Effects of AI on Social Engineering 11:52 - AI for Protection 13:47 - Still About the Human Role 14:49 - Masterclass Ad 16:27 - Origins of FASE 20:01 - Reflection of Self 25:52 - The Role of Core Principles 30:15 - New Kid in Town 34:08 - Find Michelle Li Online - LinkedIn: <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-li-mba-ssbb-0850b975/"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-li-mba-ssbb-0850b975/</a> - Website: <a href="https://www.bisblox.com/"> https://www.bisblox.com/</a> 34:47 - Book Recommendations - Blink - <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Gladwell"> Malcolm Gladwell</a> - The Book of Forgiving - <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu"> Desmond Tutu</a> 36:11 - Mentors 38:52 - Wrap Up & Outro - <a href="http://www.social-engineer.com">www.social-engineer.com</a> - <a href= "http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org">www.innocentlivesfoundation.org</a>

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