I don't think populism is necessarily a challenge to democracy. I think it's part and parcel of it.Hugo DrochonHugo Drochon joins The Democracy Paradox to explore why elites are an unavoidable part of democracy – and why that may not be a bad thing. Drawing on classical elite theory, he explains how democratic systems depend on the constant circulation of competing elites and why outsider movements, including populism, can play a vital role in keeping democracy responsive. The conversation challenges conventional views by reframing democracy as an ongoing, dynamic struggle rather than a fixed set of institutions.Hugo Drochon is an Associate Professor in Political Theory at the University of Nottingham and the author of a new book titled Elites and Democracy. The Democracy Paradox is made in partnership with the <a href='https://kellogg.nd.edu/'>Kellogg Institute</a> of the <a href='https://keough.nd.edu/'>Keough School</a> of Global Affairs at the University of Notre Dame. Read the full transcript <a href='https://wp.me/pavhaU-2T2'>here</a>.Key Highlights<ul><li>Introduction - 0:20</li><li>Nobody Wants to be an Elite - 3:52</li><li>Lions, Foxes, and the Circulation of Elites - 15:34</li><li>Is Populism a Threat to Democracy? - 31:37</li><li>The Role of Ordinary Citizens - 41:12</li></ul>LinksLearn more about <a href='https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/politics/people/hugo.drochon'>Hugo Drochon</a>.Learn more about his upcoming book <a href='https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691181554/elites-and-democracy?srsltid=AfmBOorpp6F43RlgvDECjoxfY5BIxWlLSFQNjGOTixXizvONHmGsJQB3'>Elites and Democracy</a> (Princeton University Press)Learn more about the <a href='https://kellogg.nd.edu/'>Kellogg Institute</a>.<a href='https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScATV28REQcadiy132TV-Y6jCtglQcWheXbwU0jA7Hvsvvidw/viewform'>Register</a> for the <a href='https://kellogg.nd.edu/global-democracy-conference-2026-confronting-public-support-anti-democratic-leaders'>2026 Global Democracy Conference</a> at the University of Notre Dame.<a href='http://apesofthestate.com/'>Apes of the State created all Music</a>Email comments or questions to <a href='mailto:jkempf@democracyparadox.com'>jkempf@democracyparadox.com</a><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/demparadox">Support the show</a>

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