My old and dear friend <a target="_blank" href="https://johannhari.com/">Johann</a> has written four bestsellers: Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs, Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression, Stolen Focus: Why You Can’t Pay Attention (discussed on the Dishcast <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/johann-hari-on-our-attention-crisis">here</a>), and Magic Pill: The Extraordinary Benefits and Disturbing Risks of the New Weight-Loss Drugs (discussed <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/johann-hari-on-ozempic-and-big-food">here</a>). His upcoming book is about the tunnels below Las Vegas.Four years ago we aired a 2012 interview that Johann did with me — in two parts, <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/andrew-sullivan-on-his-early-influences">here</a> and <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/andrew-sullivan-on-his-early-influences-eac">here</a>. In this new episode we cover: my first time doing shrooms — in Amsterdam with Matt and Trey; the perversion of many Germans; my first MDMA trip in the early ‘90s; fleeing rave parties to contemplate God; a disastrous trip I experienced when Johann was present — which he calls “a dystopian version of Fawlty Towers”; ego death; Michael Pollan’s How to Change Your Mind; Roland Griffiths; Johann’s psychedelic theory about A Passage to India; how religious peeps integrate bad trips better than non-believers; how early HIV drugs affected a psychedelic trip; feeling agape on drugs; why psychedelics often don’t affect monks and nuns very much; the 15 minutes I believed that God is evil; my mom’s mental illness; the adolescent event that made me a conservative; equity in education; my teenage years in The History Boys; growing up with Keir Starmer; his wild days; our frenemy debates; the Oxford Union; my introversion; coming to America; identity politics; what Foucault got right; Virtually Normal; the Dish blog covering Obama 2008 and the Green Revolution; the indy Dish in 2013; retiring the blog after my doctor said it might kill me; the BLM summer and getting fired from New York mag; Milo Yiannopoulos; Tucker Carlson; Hitchens; The Conservative Soul; Johann prodding about my sex life; Truman; and what I want to achieve in the third trimester of my life. I apologize for TMI.Chris and I are both now enjoying a summer respite from the news and work. Hope all Dishheads are able to get some time to do the same. Perspective is so critical right now, and our culture is designed to obliterate it. See you when the new season debuts at the end of August. Thank you for subscribing. <a href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/johann-hari-grilling-me/comments?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_5">Leave a comment</a> or <a href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/johann-hari-grilling-me?utm_source=substack&#38;utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_content=share&#38;action=share&#38;token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjozMDUzODIyNiwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTcwOTk1MDA1LCJpYXQiOjE3NTUyOTE2MDksImV4cCI6MTc1Nzg4MzYwOSwiaXNzIjoicHViLTYxMzcxIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.h-oPBNVbqQJUIU7m1zZ_NcknZ0pKZGK42RTgLav9lo4&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_5">share this episode</a>.

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