Podcasts are everywhere. They’re more popular and influential than they’ve ever been. But at the same time, what makes a podcast a “podcast” has never been more confusing.Until recently, the definition of “podcast” was clear: audio distributed over the internet. A podcast was something you listened to, not something you watched. But now, almost all of the most popular podcasts have video, too. And most of these podcasts share a video-friendly format: two or three people chatting behind big bulky microphones.You may have noticed that our podcast, Decoder Ring, does not have video, so these developments have given our team, like many other podcast-makers, no shortage of anxiety. In this week’s episode, we’re embracing our inner chatcast: host Willa Paskin and supervising producer Evan Chung trace the history and evolution of podcasting through their own histories with the medium, and wrestle with their complicated feelings about the state of the format in 2026.You can watch video of Willa and Evan’s conversation here:<a href="https://youtu.be/JHhQM8IrK7k?si=aOv2BGoSuYhIGF-G" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/JHhQM8IrK7k?si=aOv2BGoSuYhIGF-G</a>This episode was produced by Max Freedman. Merritt Jacob is Senior Technical Director. Our intern is Phoebe Mulder. Video production by Micah Phillips. Special thanks to Amanda Dobbins, Leon Neyfakh, Nick Quah, Ben Richmond, Amber Robinson, Susan Matthews, Mary Harris, and Mia Lobel.If you have any cultural mysteries you want us to decode, email us at <a href="mailto:DecoderRing@slate.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DecoderRing@slate.com</a> or leave a message on our hotline at (347) 460-7281.Sources for This Episode“<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2025/12/how-youtube-ate-podcasts-and-tv-with-rachel-martin-ashley-carmen-and-derek-thompson/685230/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">How YouTube Ate Podcasts and TV</a>,” Galaxy Brain, Dec. 12, 2025.Kang, Jay Caspian. “<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/fault-lines/cnns-podcast-look-and-the-slow-death-of-cable-news" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CNN’s ‘Podcast Look’ and the Slow Death of Cable News</a>,” The New Yorker, March 24, 2026.Quah, Nicholas. “<a href="https://www.vulture.com/article/will-video-kill-the-audio-star-in-2025.html?ueid=8691e38f9468f8b71131dc6b389f6b00&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1.5xSpeed%20-%20February%2026%2C%202025&utm_term=Subscription%20List%20-%2015x%20Speed" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Will Video Kill the Audio Star in 2025?</a>” New York Magazine, Dec. 31, 2024.Testa, Jessica. “<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/24/business/media/jason-travis-kelce-amazon-podcast.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">It Was Just a Podcast. Now, It’s Kelce Land</a>,” The New York Times, Apr. 24, 2026.Get more of Decoder Ring with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of Decoder Ring and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Decoder Ring show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/decoder-ring/id1376577202" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3vYNA0Ki5sUHnYC9QwQnKl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>. Or, visit <a href="https://slate.com/podcast-plus?utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=plus_pod&utm_content=Decoder_Ring&utm_source=episode_summary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">slate.com/decoderplus</a> for access wherever you listen.Need to set up your Slate Plus feed? If you subscribed through Slate.com, check out our <a href="https://slate.com/podcastfaqs#plusbenefits" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FAQ</a> at slate.com/podcastfaqs for easy instructions. Members subscribed via Apple Podcasts get automatic access—no setup required.<hr> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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