Our current fascists are obsessed with the apocalypse—it drives everything they do, from stoking anti-immigration fervor around the world to wanting to colonize Mars. But why run from our beautiful planet when we can still fight? Guest: <a href="https://naomiklein.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Naomi Klein</a>, co-author of <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/end-times-fascism-and-the-fight-for-the-living-world-astra-taylor/66802b8005ce0f8f?ean=9780374621384&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dsa_nonbrand&utm_content=%7Badgroupname%7D&utm_term=aud-2151538068632:dsa-19959388920&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=12440232635&gbraid=0AAAAACfld40Z_kE4A2Ayf0yePX4i_7bLc&gclid=CjwKCAjw0LzWBhBOEiwAKQd0cOxZT02BsRzqpEtA5tEXaCNy9hRqqtPo-bIZHAcZGKUIDpQv0ofXPRoCKpgQAvD_BwE" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">End Times Fascism: And the Fight for the Living World</a>. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at<a href="http://slate.com/whatnextplus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> slate.com/whatnextplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Thames-Ducharme and Patrick Fort.<hr> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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