One of the themes of the Lean Out podcast is the ongoing tensions between men and women. This past week saw a shot fired on that front: a piece published in The New York Times Magazine, titled “<a href='https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/21/magazine/men-heterofatalism-dating-relationships.html'>The Trouble With Wanting Men</a>.” For this special joint episode, we unpack this essay with podcaster Meghan Daum and a Gen Z guest.<a href='https://www.theunspeakablepodcast.com/'>Meghan Daum</a> is an American author and essayist, and the host of the Unspeakable podcast, soon to be renamed the Unspeakeasy. <a href='https://unherd.com/author/lily-isaacsunherd-com/'>Lily Isaacs</a> is a British writer, and an editorial assistant for UnHerd.You can find Tara Henley on Twitter at @TaraRHenley, and on Substack at tarahenley.substack.com

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