Ryan welcomes Nic Benders to discuss the complexity and abstraction crisis in software development, the importance of going beyond observability into understandability, and demystifying AI's opacity for understanding and control.Episode notes:<a href="https://newrelic.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">New Relic</a> is a full-stack observability platform that helps engineers plan, build, deploy, and run software. Read their <a href="https://newrelic.com/resources/report/observability-forecast/2025" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">2025 observability forecast.</a>&nbsp;Connect with Nic on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/benders/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Linkedin</a> or email him at nic@newrelic.com.Congratulations to user <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/users/536086/yochai-timmer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Yochai Timmer</a> for winning a Populist badge on their answer to <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/244316/reader-writer-locks-in-c" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reader/Writer Locks in C++</a>.&nbsp;See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

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