</a><p>In this episode, Robert talks to Howard Lewis Ship about his career, journey to Clojure, Tapestry, Ski jackets and the art of video games.</p>

<h1 id="our-guest">Our Guest</h1>

<ul>
  <li><a href="http://howardlewisship.com/">Howard Lewis Ship</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://dev.to/hlship">Blog dev.to/hlship</a></li>
</ul>

<h1 id="topics">Topics</h1>

<ul>
  <li><a href="https://tapestry.apache.org/">Tapestry</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/babashka/babashka">Babashka</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/walmartlabs">Walmart Labs</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://nofluffjuststuff.com/">No Fluff Just Stuff</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/walmartlabs/lacinia">Lacinia</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=813">Challenger 1P</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_8-bit_family">Atari 800</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Tapestry-Action-Howard-Lewis-Ship/dp/1932394117">Tapestry in Action</a></li>
  <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics">Multics</a></li>
  <li><a href="http://gorogoa.com/">Gorogoa</a></li>
  <li>His <a href="https://github.com/hlship">many projects</a></li>
  <li>and developing software in general</li>
</ul>

<h1 id="subscribing-to-the-cognicast">SUBSCRIBING TO THE COGNICAST</h1>

<p>The show is <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/thinkrelevance-the-podcast/id498067022">available on iTunes!</a> You can also subscribe to the podcast using our <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/cognicast">podcast feed.</a></p>

<p>You can send feedback about the show to <a href="mailto:podcast@cognitect.com">podcast@cognitect.com</a>. Thanks for listening!</p>

<h1 id="credits">CREDITS</h1>

<ul>
  <li>HOST
    <ul>
      <li>Our host this week is <a href="https://twitter.com/AdmiralBee">Robert Randolph</a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>EPISODE COVER ART
    <ul>
      <li>Cover design by <a href="http://https://twitter.com/russolsen?lang=en">Russ Olsen</a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>AUDIO PRODUCTION
    <ul>
      <li><a href="http://bearcaveaudio.com">Bear Cave Audio</a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>PRODUCER
    <ul>
      <li><a href="https://twitter.com/JaretBin">Jaret Binford</a></li>
      <li><a href="https://twitter.com/AdmiralBee">Robert Randolph</a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>MUSIC
    <ul>
      <li>The music at the very beginning of the podcast is Crazy G, played by Russ on a tenor ukulele.</li>
      <li>The main theme music is by Otto Nascarella (aka <a href="https://nascamusic.com/">NASCA</a>).</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
</ul>

<p>You can find his music on:</p>
<ul>
  <li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/1swKUcjxzLkFOJnnsunoqt">Spotify</a>,</li>
  <li><a href="http://www.deezer.com/album/13840566">Deezer</a> and</li>
  <li><a href="https://music.apple.com/album/1145700809">Apple Music</a>.</li>
</ul>


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